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Offline Max

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2019, 06:11:32 PM »
Installed my card today (needed some force, and used the supplied cover to push the card in). Tried it only with Ghouls & Ghosts and Munt (MT 32 / CM 32 emulator) on my PC, but yes it works and it's really awesome!!!

Next step is try the SC55 emulator :)

great job Spud!!!! I have been waitng for mine and I'd like to do the same on my laptop and use it as a synthetizer!!! if you have any suggestion and/or links for the emulation of the above mentioned synth, please let me know through pm :)

Ps: which midi to usb adapter did you use? any good link on amazon?
« Last Edit: March 24, 2019, 07:47:21 PM by Max »

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2019, 08:56:15 PM »
So far I have only tested MT/CM 32 emulation. It all worked pretty much out of the box really.

MIDI interface I use: TIE MIDI 1i1o USB MIDI-interface
But your best bet is always go for the Roland USB-MIDI interface (at least that's what I'm told :) ), especially if you wanna do more with MIDI and music creation.

CM/MT 32 emulation: MUNT: free at https://sourceforge.net/projects/munt/ You do need to source your own ROM files for it though.

SC-55 emulation: https://www.roland.com/nl/products/sound_canvas_va/ Paid software (free trial i believe), still have to try this one
« Last Edit: March 25, 2019, 10:30:24 PM by spud »

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2019, 10:47:00 PM »
So far I have only tested MT/CM 32 emulation. It all worked pretty much out of the box really.

MIDI interface I use: TIE MIDI 1i1o USB MIDI-interface
But your best bet is always go for the Roland USB-MIDI interface (at least that's what I'm told :) ), especially if you wanna do more with MIDI and music creation.

CM/MT 32 emulation: MUNT: free at https://sourceforge.net/projects/munt/ You do need to source your own ROM files for it though.

SC-55 emulation: https://www.roland.com/nl/products/sound_canvas_va/ Paid software (free trial i believe), still have to try this one

Thank you Spud for your prompt reply,...what do you mean with "source your own ROM files"? I simply want to plug the midiori board from my X68K  to my pc and the load a software, both ones you mentioned I think would work.....So to play o my real Hardware Sharp Pro II and then enjoy the midi sound for each enhanced game!!

P.S: for the midi to usb adapter  I have thought about this cheap but very good one: https://www.amazon.com/Converter-Interface-Indicator-Processing-Electric/dp/B07FP5M9BF/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_3_sspa?keywords=Asmuse%E2%84%A2+MIDI+To+USB&qid=1553518076&s=gateway&sr=8-3-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1
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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2019, 02:22:56 AM »
With source your ROMs I mean:
The MUNT software does not come with the Roland MT/CM 32 firmware, but is needed for the emulator to work. This firmware is still copyright material of Roland. So formally you'll need to grab it from a real MT/CM 32 you own. If you don't have such a device, you'll have to be "creative" :)

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2019, 05:28:18 AM »
With source your ROMs I mean:
The MUNT software does not come with the Roland MT/CM 32 firmware, but is needed for the emulator to work. This firmware is still copyright material of Roland. So formally you'll need to grab it from a real MT/CM 32 you own. If you don't have such a device, you'll have to be "creative" :)

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2019, 06:13:27 PM »
Update, also tried Roland Sound Canvas VA SC-55 emulation software (with Geograph Seal). This worked fine as well.
I also used some info on this forum to get Bahnwelt working with Munt (MT-32) and also that went smoothly, and was actually quite an enjoyable soundtrack.

However it confirms my opinion I had back in the nineties about this midi music. I'm a fan of electronic music (synth pop, industrial, ebm), so I love hearing sounds that cannot be produced by traditional instruments. I'm not a fan of electronically reproduced music with traditional instruments by means of synthesizers. So I'm pretty happy with my setup now and will keep using the SC-55 and MT-32 emulation and cannot justify for myself spending cash on real Roland hardware. But hey that's just my personal opinion, no judgment whatsoever of people who do have an awesome X68000+MIDI setup. I'm actually very happy I can have a (near real) X68000 MIDI experience thanks to the midiori and these software tools for a lot cheaper.

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2019, 05:16:27 AM »
I agree with you man since I think it is a good experience all the same through emulation and my set up is pretty good as well having my laptop close to my Pro II X68000 ready to be connected with.....
I have just received my Midi Board and soon I'll test it with the canvas program....
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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2019, 01:33:04 PM »
Just FYI for anyone but the emulated MIDI modules in Windows or whatever introduce so much latency that they are unusable for games that use both internal and external sound for music. MUNT has specific issues in some games, notably Dracula, where it gets swamped and the music lags.

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2019, 08:14:14 PM »
thanks neko68k for your precious opinion,  I'll take it into consideration when I test all games and their concerning latency. Hope it will not alter them much just in case I'll consider to get a Synth by one of my friends who might sell his at a reasonable price around 100$......

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2019, 06:19:03 AM »
Thanks neko68k.

Haven't really played many games yet. When I encounter lag indeed and consider it to be too annoying I guess I still have to go look for real devices after all.

Update:
I spend some time with Dracula, both in MT-32 and SC-55 mode. Apart from some slight difference in instruments sounds with the real thing I checked in youtube videos I couldn't hear anything really wrong using Munt and Sound Canvas emulation (on a relatively powerful Win10 machine). I checked the sound test screen with those level meters and played some of the songs. I could not really hear/see any noticeable delay/latency. During gameplay music changed almost instantly when dying etc.

So, so far, still no reason for me to go look for real hardwarde :)
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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2019, 08:56:52 AM »
Well, MUNT can only emulate CM-32L.  Nothing emulates the 32P.  So the CM-64 games still need the real deal.

Also the lag issue is with ganes that mix FM with MIDI.  Parodiusda, Etoile Princesse, Choujin, etc.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2019, 08:59:28 AM by SuperDeadite »

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2019, 06:27:40 PM »
Hello SuperDeadite,

thanks for your suggestion too,  Just to go for the real hardware which one is the most compatible with all games? Would Roland Sound Canvas SC-55 be a good choice though?

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2019, 08:15:28 PM »
Best all in one unit is the CM-500.  But it doesn't support the 32P Expansion cards, and is really expensive these days. 

A CM-64 and SC-88 combo will make you very happy and run everything but a few oddities. 

Personally I prefer Yamaha for GM, but everyone has different ears.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2019, 08:18:09 PM by SuperDeadite »

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2019, 03:22:58 AM »
I see mate, a guy  could give me a roland SC-55 at a reasonable price, it might worth getting it as for the other models I haven't found anything yet....what  about?
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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2019, 04:53:41 PM »
I would like one of these cards please.

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2019, 01:02:49 PM »
I would like one of the midi cards !!!! thanks

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2019, 07:44:11 AM »
Is it true that these are no longer in production due to no chips available anymore? :(
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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2019, 10:29:34 AM »
Is it true that these are no longer in production due to no chips available anymore? :(

Yes, I have extra stock of everything but the chip, so if more chips do appear at sane prices I will do more.

I am also working on version without the chip, which I can produce in unlimited quantities.

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Re: midiori - MIDI card for the X68000
« Reply #58 on: Today at 04:33:40 AM »
Would you be willing to sell just the pieces you do have minus the ym3802-x?