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Title: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: incrediblehark on July 30, 2021, 04:09:53 PM
I know the Micomsoft XPC-4 is the go to solution for displaying the X68000 on modern displays, but what other devices are known to be working? OSSC can work but can be very hit or miss depending on your tv/monitor. What about GBS-Control? It would be helpful to start a maintained list of these. If one already exists please let me know!
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: Jehuty on July 31, 2021, 02:35:48 AM
I am using OSSC. I thing its one of the best.
Using it with X68000, FM Towns, Amiga and a lot of Consoles.
But you have to spend some time to configure it to your display.

My GBS Control doesn´t work with X68000, don´t know why
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: dankcomputing on July 31, 2021, 02:43:55 AM
The Framemeister will work, but it can be cranky in some modes. It's been a while since I've had it hooked up though.
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: incrediblehark on July 31, 2021, 04:08:53 PM
Thanks for the info so far! I am able to get ossc to work on 2 out of 3 displays I've tried using some tweaking. No luck with my hdcrt though... if anyone has suggestions for settings I'd be interested.

I can get a picture if I go ossc (all resolutions 2x) to extron vsc-700 but the picture is interlaced, and starts to become too many devices connected. But it is a lower cost solution for people interested.
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: htdreams on August 03, 2021, 09:27:29 PM
I would like to say that an alternative to the OSSC is the GBSControl, it involves some tinkering but is probably about half the price of the OSSC, I've done two, one for my X68000 and other for my Amiga 1200, to hook them to 20" vga triniton monitors (they look crisp and beautifull) and works for 15kz, 24kz and 30kz resolutions :-)

https://www.retrorgb.com/gbs-control-installation-overview.html

Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: incrediblehark on August 04, 2021, 12:18:20 PM
What are your settings for GBS-Control?
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: Cyothevile on August 05, 2021, 03:16:43 AM
I would also be interested in getting GSBControl working.

I built it properly but if my memory serves it wouldn't display the FMT IPL screen which is 24khz. I didn't test any further

I didn't test for X68000 yet.
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: leonk on August 17, 2021, 03:45:35 AM
GBS-Control does not work. The problem is not a hardware issue but software.  I used my oscilloscope and calculated the correct values for RGBHV resistors to get the correct Vpp values. GBS-Control gets confused by the X68000 res.

The best solution that works for me is OSSC -> HDMI2VGA adapter -> old computer screen.
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: X-Col on August 17, 2021, 08:27:50 PM
Quote from: leonk on August 17, 2021, 03:45:35 AMGBS-Control does not work. The problem is not a hardware issue but software.  I used my oscilloscope and calculated the correct values for RGBHV resistors to get the correct Vpp values. GBS-Control gets confused by the X68000 res.

My GBS-Control works fine on my XVI Compact, but the screen has flickering dots @15Hz on my ACE HD
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: incrediblehark on October 21, 2022, 10:24:07 AM
Does anyone here know about the Medusa?

https://lotharek.pl/productdetail.php?id=357

There's a lot of old computer resolutions supported, wonder if X68000 would work? If anyone has used this I'd be interested to hear about it.
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: amazin on October 29, 2022, 02:46:19 PM
I'm using the OSSC with my XVI Compact, and it works great. I still need to do some cleanup and do some fine tuning, but it displays all modes, all resolutions, no complaints whatsoever.
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: incrediblehark on December 27, 2022, 07:58:14 AM
Can also confirm that X68K and OSSC works with the Sony A80J and looks amazing! If anyone needs help with settings in this particular combination let me know. Would love it if a 4:3 version of this oled existed...
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: armitage on March 11, 2023, 02:33:53 PM
Could not get GBS-Control running latest firmware as of this post to work with my SUPER. In the debug console it throws an error about "unrecognized source format", defaults to pass through, and my display shuts off.

I had very good luck with OSSC. It took a little tweaking but looks great on my Dell 2007FPb. Just had to switch it to DVI mode because HDMI audio causes the monitor to go to sleep.
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: repoMan on March 16, 2023, 11:55:40 PM
If you're the lucky owner of a Dell P2314H you'll never need an scaler again.

It's the first modern screen I've seen capable of syncing correctly the X68K freqs, displaying all the vertical resolution of the screen without loosing a single line. The image quality is also top notch.

I'm absolutely satisfied now, at least having successfully tested some tricky software.

Does anyone knows a good testbed to be sure is working with 100% of the software?
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: tsmvp on March 17, 2023, 12:37:32 AM
Quote from: armitage on March 11, 2023, 02:33:53 PMCould not get GBS-Control running latest firmware as of this post to work with my SUPER. In the debug console it throws an error about "unrecognized source format", defaults to pass through, and my display shuts off.

I had very good luck with OSSC. It took a little tweaking but looks great on my Dell 2007FPb. Just had to switch it to DVI mode because HDMI audio causes the monitor to go to sleep.

Mind sharing what settings you have on the OSSC? Oddly enough, my GBS-Control has zero issues with the X68000 Compact I have but the OSSC cuts off the bottom of the screen, so maybe there is some setting I am missing. That said I remember reading somewhere that some sort of software patch on the X68000 OS would fix that but not sure if that is accurate. Thanks!
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: HIggy on March 31, 2023, 04:48:44 AM
Quote from: repoMan on March 16, 2023, 11:55:40 PMIf you're the lucky owner of a Dell P2314H you'll never need an scaler again.

It's the first modern screen I've seen capable of syncing correctly the X68K freqs, displaying all the vertical resolution of the screen without loosing a single line. The image quality is also top notch.

I'm absolutely satisfied now, at least having successfully tested some tricky software.

Does anyone knows a good testbed to be sure is working with 100% of the software?

I just got the Dell P2214Hb Rev 06 and that is also working great with 15Khz and 31Khz.
I did the trick of changing the background purple (any colour apart from black) in Switch.X and then 'auto adjust' fits the screen perfectly.
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: armitage on March 31, 2023, 06:19:15 AM
Quote from: tsmvp on March 17, 2023, 12:37:32 AM
Quote from: armitage on March 11, 2023, 02:33:53 PMCould not get GBS-Control running latest firmware as of this post to work with my SUPER. In the debug console it throws an error about "unrecognized source format", defaults to pass through, and my display shuts off.

I had very good luck with OSSC. It took a little tweaking but looks great on my Dell 2007FPb. Just had to switch it to DVI mode because HDMI audio causes the monitor to go to sleep.

Mind sharing what settings you have on the OSSC? Oddly enough, my GBS-Control has zero issues with the X68000 Compact I have but the OSSC cuts off the bottom of the screen, so maybe there is some setting I am missing. That said I remember reading somewhere that some sort of software patch on the X68000 OS would fix that but not sure if that is accurate. Thanks!

I used the settings in the last post of this thread (#7) as a baseline and then made a few minor adjustments for my display: https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6622.0
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: flag26838 on April 20, 2023, 09:44:20 PM
Quote from: incrediblehark on October 21, 2022, 10:24:07 AMDoes anyone here know about the Medusa?

https://lotharek.pl/productdetail.php?id=357

There's a lot of old computer resolutions supported, wonder if X68000 would work? If anyone has used this I'd be interested to hear about it.

I was eyeing the Medusa too, did you take the plunge?
Title: Re: Confirmed working Scalers/Scan Converters/ETC with X68000
Post by: incrediblehark on April 21, 2023, 11:30:21 AM
Not yet, but it supports a lot of older PCs so I am really tempted. Would like to see how it compares to the XPC-4.