Title: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on January 16, 2013, 06:04:42 AM
Post by: micro on January 16, 2013, 06:04:42 AM
I've made a new version of the PCB for improving that Gamecube-style N64 replacement stick in various ways.
(http://imgur.com/YcaBWCq)
Installation guide: http://www.mediafire.com/?encle2go54et96l (http://www.mediafire.com/?encle2go54et96l)
The new PCB got some nice new features like:
- descriptive labels on top and bottom side
- easy re-enabling of calibration mode by setting a jumper
- additional holes to fit larger joysticks found in PSX and Xbox controller
- also suited for slider joysticks -> accurate calculation of the required dead zone
- additional solder jumpers on bottom side to invert X- and/or Y-axis
The PCB comes with a new analog joystick as well as a pin header and a jumper.
The price is 10 € per PCB; worldwide flat rate shipping is 3.50 €. (That means 1 PCB: 13.50€ shipped; 2 PCB's: 23.50€ shipped, etc...)
Sold out!
PCB version 3 is coming in late february/march. :) Stay tuned and check this post once in a while. (Please don't send me any PM's yet)
--> Here we go: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5803.0
Source code & .hex file
As promised I've uploaded the source code and .hex file of the program that's running on these PCB's. It's free for your personal, non-commercial use :)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zmzz5zm7z89yzv3/N64_Stick_Converter_PCB_v2.1.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download/zmzz5zm7z89yzv3/N64_Stick_Converter_PCB_v2.1.zip) (AVR Studio 5 project)
You should be familiar with programming microcontrollers if you want to use the source and hex files. Please don't ask me how you gonna operate your programmer - I don't know it. There are already tons of programming guides and manuals available!
(http://imgur.com/YcaBWCq)Installation guide: http://www.mediafire.com/?encle2go54et96l (http://www.mediafire.com/?encle2go54et96l)
The new PCB got some nice new features like:
- descriptive labels on top and bottom side
- easy re-enabling of calibration mode by setting a jumper
- additional holes to fit larger joysticks found in PSX and Xbox controller
- also suited for slider joysticks -> accurate calculation of the required dead zone
- additional solder jumpers on bottom side to invert X- and/or Y-axis
The PCB comes with a new analog joystick as well as a pin header and a jumper.
The price is 10 € per PCB; worldwide flat rate shipping is 3.50 €. (That means 1 PCB: 13.50€ shipped; 2 PCB's: 23.50€ shipped, etc...)
Sold out!
PCB version 3 is coming in late february/march. :) Stay tuned and check this post once in a while. (Please don't send me any PM's yet)
--> Here we go: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5803.0
Source code & .hex file
As promised I've uploaded the source code and .hex file of the program that's running on these PCB's. It's free for your personal, non-commercial use :)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zmzz5zm7z89yzv3/N64_Stick_Converter_PCB_v2.1.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download/zmzz5zm7z89yzv3/N64_Stick_Converter_PCB_v2.1.zip) (AVR Studio 5 project)
You should be familiar with programming microcontrollers if you want to use the source and hex files. Please don't ask me how you gonna operate your programmer - I don't know it. There are already tons of programming guides and manuals available!
QuoteOld version of the PCB:(http://i.imgur.com/YdYwS.jpg)
Installation guide: http://www.mediafire.com/?ty3ln8q1cvk243h (http://www.mediafire.com/?ty3ln8q1cvk243h)
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: public-pervert on January 17, 2013, 02:06:23 AM
Post by: public-pervert on January 17, 2013, 02:06:23 AM
Hats off again, bro. ;D
Beautiful boards and great guide!
What MCU is that? Will you make the code available? Could it work with the 3DS or PSP sliders?
You're genial man! Really appreciate your work! :D
Beautiful boards and great guide!
What MCU is that? Will you make the code available? Could it work with the 3DS or PSP sliders?
You're genial man! Really appreciate your work! :D
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: micro on January 17, 2013, 03:26:16 AM
Post by: micro on January 17, 2013, 03:26:16 AM
Thanks, but you don't have to be a genius to make such PCB's... ;D
The microcontroller used on these PCB's is a very small Attiny13.
I don't know if I'll release the code. Flashing the Attiny13 is a delicate matter. The reset pin has to be disabled so no further programming is possible with an ISP programmer. I've received soooo many messages from people who haven't had success in flashing the attiny24 or atmega8...
In theory these PCB's work with any kind of potentiometer-based joystick. Because of the calibration you'll always get the right range.
But unfortunately the PSP stick is so inaccurate; it would only work if a big dead-zone is applied.
Keep in mind these PCB's are tailored to fit into the GC-style replacement stick, where no dead-zone is required :)
The microcontroller used on these PCB's is a very small Attiny13.
I don't know if I'll release the code. Flashing the Attiny13 is a delicate matter. The reset pin has to be disabled so no further programming is possible with an ISP programmer. I've received soooo many messages from people who haven't had success in flashing the attiny24 or atmega8...
In theory these PCB's work with any kind of potentiometer-based joystick. Because of the calibration you'll always get the right range.
But unfortunately the PSP stick is so inaccurate; it would only work if a big dead-zone is applied.
Keep in mind these PCB's are tailored to fit into the GC-style replacement stick, where no dead-zone is required :)
Title: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: mickkn on January 19, 2013, 05:07:29 AM
Post by: mickkn on January 19, 2013, 05:07:29 AM
Just got my 2 kits today. And so far i'm impressed.
Haven't had the time to to test it that much. But did a quick comparison on goldeneye with new pcb and the old attiny chipped stick. And now I can actually do the first 2 headshots with sniper on Dam with ease ;) was a pain before :) nice work Micro. Have to buy 2 more kits as soon as I get some money :)
Haven't had the time to to test it that much. But did a quick comparison on goldeneye with new pcb and the old attiny chipped stick. And now I can actually do the first 2 headshots with sniper on Dam with ease ;) was a pain before :) nice work Micro. Have to buy 2 more kits as soon as I get some money :)
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: micro on January 19, 2013, 05:45:24 AM
Post by: micro on January 19, 2013, 05:45:24 AM
I'm glad you like'em :)
Your feedback is appreciated!
Your feedback is appreciated!
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: Grambo on January 19, 2013, 09:57:47 AM
Post by: Grambo on January 19, 2013, 09:57:47 AM
Amazing!
I joined the forum for this reason alone :)
I've sent you a PM, micro, I'm looking very forward to this.
I joined the forum for this reason alone :)
I've sent you a PM, micro, I'm looking very forward to this.
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: zaneiken on January 21, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Post by: zaneiken on January 21, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
I also joined just for this! Excellent work!
PM sent.
PM sent.
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: Meins321 on February 20, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
Post by: Meins321 on February 20, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
Hey micro, thank you for your work and outstanding pcb production ;D
It would be nice if you don't take the eagle/gerber files for that pcb into any grave ::)
I do recognize your work and will give full credit to it as you did a hell of a job but i have to say:
Most of these retro console projects get a "rest" and then vanish into the deep of the internets, all of your work would be lost then.I think you wanted people to enjoy their N64 Controller to the fullest, which is honorable, and you shoed how it is done right!
If you don't, maybe considere going open source, even if that means some chinese copycats will get their hands on it, it will prevent far more N64 from the trash can than you and me can imagine.
If you ever decide to make a second batch write me please i would like to get "some" of them, as even my friends still own and play their N64.
It would be nice if you don't take the eagle/gerber files for that pcb into any grave ::)
I do recognize your work and will give full credit to it as you did a hell of a job but i have to say:
Most of these retro console projects get a "rest" and then vanish into the deep of the internets, all of your work would be lost then.I think you wanted people to enjoy their N64 Controller to the fullest, which is honorable, and you shoed how it is done right!
If you don't, maybe considere going open source, even if that means some chinese copycats will get their hands on it, it will prevent far more N64 from the trash can than you and me can imagine.
If you ever decide to make a second batch write me please i would like to get "some" of them, as even my friends still own and play their N64.
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: Neves on April 26, 2013, 12:49:27 PM
Post by: Neves on April 26, 2013, 12:49:27 PM
Please make a second batch! ;)
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: y4nk33 on April 28, 2013, 03:43:34 AM
Post by: y4nk33 on April 28, 2013, 03:43:34 AM
Quote from: Neves on April 26, 2013, 12:49:27 PM
Please make a second batch! ;)
Please micro? *_*
I <3 my n64, and I want my 2 year old daughter to play with her old man.
:D
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: micro on May 03, 2013, 03:42:05 AM
Post by: micro on May 03, 2013, 03:42:05 AM
Relax 8)
Actually I've already made a 2nd batch:
(http://i.imgur.com/NlrN1a1.jpg)
It got some new cool features. Unfortunately there's only a partial installation guide in german available right now: http://www.mediafire.com/?2lliu8u15dlg8dt (http://www.mediafire.com/?2lliu8u15dlg8dt) (not describing the additional features)
Once I've sold the majority of the PCB's I'll release the program's source code, too.
If you want to buy some of the new PCB's now, send me a PM. But keep in mind that it may take 2 weeks or so until a full english installation guide / manual will be available. (price and shipping are the same as described on the 1st post)
EDIT: full english installation guide: http://www.mediafire.com/?encle2go54et96l (http://www.mediafire.com/?encle2go54et96l)
Actually I've already made a 2nd batch:
(http://i.imgur.com/NlrN1a1.jpg)It got some new cool features. Unfortunately there's only a partial installation guide in german available right now: http://www.mediafire.com/?2lliu8u15dlg8dt (http://www.mediafire.com/?2lliu8u15dlg8dt) (not describing the additional features)
Once I've sold the majority of the PCB's I'll release the program's source code, too.
If you want to buy some of the new PCB's now, send me a PM. But keep in mind that it may take 2 weeks or so until a full english installation guide / manual will be available. (price and shipping are the same as described on the 1st post)
EDIT: full english installation guide: http://www.mediafire.com/?encle2go54et96l (http://www.mediafire.com/?encle2go54et96l)
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: Neves on May 03, 2013, 06:18:25 AM
Post by: Neves on May 03, 2013, 06:18:25 AM
I'm even excited about it
thanks a lot man!!!! ;D
thanks a lot man!!!! ;D
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: public-pervert on May 03, 2013, 06:57:18 AM
Post by: public-pervert on May 03, 2013, 06:57:18 AM
Thanks for another great work! :D
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: Grambo on May 08, 2013, 11:25:57 PM
Post by: Grambo on May 08, 2013, 11:25:57 PM
I bought 4 off of micro's first run. They all work and have continued to work perfectly.
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: public-pervert on May 10, 2013, 12:02:59 AM
Post by: public-pervert on May 10, 2013, 12:02:59 AM
Indeed! This guy really know what he's doing 8)
I think Micro should come to the portabilizing side of the force ;)
I think Micro should come to the portabilizing side of the force ;)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on May 10, 2013, 01:48:16 AM
Post by: micro on May 10, 2013, 01:48:16 AM
The complete installation guide in english is now available. The link is in the 1st post of this thread. :D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: Spiicyice on May 10, 2013, 03:18:52 AM
Post by: Spiicyice on May 10, 2013, 03:18:52 AM
I want one or two! Should I PM you?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on May 10, 2013, 04:29:50 AM
Post by: micro on May 10, 2013, 04:29:50 AM
Yes, please :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: public-pervert on May 10, 2013, 06:33:10 AM
Post by: public-pervert on May 10, 2013, 06:33:10 AM
I've posted it over Benheck, ModRetro and Made-By-Bacteria forums, hope you don't mind ;)
Congrats dude! 8)
Congrats dude! 8)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: ours1011 on May 11, 2013, 12:52:57 AM
Post by: ours1011 on May 11, 2013, 12:52:57 AM
Hi,
I'm curious. What does this look like from the outside of the controller ? Is it a N64 pad with GC stick, right ?
Thanks !
PS: Maybe i'm gonna buy some :)
I'm curious. What does this look like from the outside of the controller ? Is it a N64 pad with GC stick, right ?
Thanks !
PS: Maybe i'm gonna buy some :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: ShockSlayer on May 11, 2013, 04:25:42 PM
Post by: ShockSlayer on May 11, 2013, 04:25:42 PM
Been waitin' for this for awhile now, excellent work as always!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on May 12, 2013, 03:41:30 AM
Post by: micro on May 12, 2013, 03:41:30 AM
Quote from: ours1011 on May 11, 2013, 12:52:57 AM
Hi,
I'm curious. What does this look like from the outside of the controller ? Is it a N64 pad with GC stick, right ?
Thanks !
PS: Maybe i'm gonna buy some :)
The main purpose is to replace the crappy PCB in those sticks (http://www.ebay.com/itm/160655759083) and cure the problems those sticks are plagued with in their original unmodified state.
The sticks look like Gamecube sticks but they're smaller and the top of the joystick cap is just plastic instead of rubber:
(http://i.imgur.com/YiQmVgX.jpg)With the N64 Stick Converter PCB it's also possible to install a real Gamecube stick from a genuine Gamecube controller. But that's much much more work and requires dremeling, sanding, glueing, etc.
This is a picture of my controller which I made a few years ago. It got the stick of a third-party Gamecube controller.
(http://i.imgur.com/wD6SS8T.jpg)
Title: Re: PCB's to improve the GC-style replacement stick for the N64
Post by: zaneiken on May 12, 2013, 04:24:03 PM
Post by: zaneiken on May 12, 2013, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: Grambo on May 08, 2013, 11:25:57 PMI also bought 4 from the first batch - awesome little kits!
I bought 4 off of micro's first run. They all work and have continued to work perfectly.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: ours1011 on May 13, 2013, 07:20:56 AM
Post by: ours1011 on May 13, 2013, 07:20:56 AM
Quote from: micro on May 12, 2013, 03:41:30 AMSo to be clear, I just have to buy one of those sticks (http://www.ebay.com/itm/160655759083) in addition to your PCB to get something that works fine ?
The main purpose is to replace the crappy PCB in those sticks (http://www.ebay.com/itm/160655759083) and cure the problems those sticks are plagued with in their original unmodified state.
The sticks look like Gamecube sticks but they're smaller and the top of the joystick cap is just plastic instead of rubber:
If that's the case, I'm going to buy 2 of your kits ! :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on May 13, 2013, 07:23:32 AM
Post by: micro on May 13, 2013, 07:23:32 AM
Yes, exactly =)
Just send me a PM if you're interested.
Just send me a PM if you're interested.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: SheerMadness on May 17, 2013, 06:45:24 AM
Post by: SheerMadness on May 17, 2013, 06:45:24 AM
So does this make ssb64 playable?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on May 24, 2013, 01:49:07 AM
Post by: micro on May 24, 2013, 01:49:07 AM
I'm not a Smash Brothers player but I know that smash moves (stick right + attack I believe) will work with my PCB because there's no more lag. :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: jsp5107 on June 05, 2013, 03:25:05 AM
Post by: jsp5107 on June 05, 2013, 03:25:05 AM
Hey, I'm interested in buying a few of these if you have any left. I sent you a PM about it.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: chuckfinley on June 12, 2013, 04:05:22 AM
Post by: chuckfinley on June 12, 2013, 04:05:22 AM
Hope you still have some, I just sent a pm as well. Would like to add it to the wireless mod. ;)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: TheDeats on June 15, 2013, 03:37:24 PM
Post by: TheDeats on June 15, 2013, 03:37:24 PM
I just bought two replacement PCB kits from him and they are amazing. I bought them to play Ocarina of Time and it fixed the Quickspin issue. Movement feels excellent overall and I feel like this is better than the original control stick. It took me about 30 mins to put together and the instructions were very clear. Highly recommended
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: SolveMyMaze on June 16, 2013, 07:21:15 PM
Post by: SolveMyMaze on June 16, 2013, 07:21:15 PM
The board really is perfect. I'm seriously impressed on how well it fixes the problems with these GC style sticks.
I've done a video review of the product.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhzUQJMNFN8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhzUQJMNFN8)
I've done a video review of the product.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhzUQJMNFN8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhzUQJMNFN8)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: public-pervert on June 17, 2013, 03:45:51 AM
Post by: public-pervert on June 17, 2013, 03:45:51 AM
Nice review! :D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on June 22, 2013, 11:09:23 PM
Post by: micro on June 22, 2013, 11:09:23 PM
Thanks for your impressions, SolveMyMaze :D
At the moment only 9 PCB's are left. Potential buyers should hurry up, they'll be sold out very soon. ;)
Buying 2 or more PCB's is preferred as I'm also running out of packaging material...
At the moment only 9 PCB's are left. Potential buyers should hurry up, they'll be sold out very soon. ;)
Buying 2 or more PCB's is preferred as I'm also running out of packaging material...
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: SolveMyMaze on June 23, 2013, 08:28:54 PM
Post by: SolveMyMaze on June 23, 2013, 08:28:54 PM
You're very welcome.
A great board deserves all the praise it can get. Will you be making a third batch of them?
Edit- Also included the Nintendo Nation review.
http://www.nintendo-nation.net/nintendo-64-thumbstick-replacement-board-review/ (http://www.nintendo-nation.net/nintendo-64-thumbstick-replacement-board-review/)
A great board deserves all the praise it can get. Will you be making a third batch of them?
Edit- Also included the Nintendo Nation review.
http://www.nintendo-nation.net/nintendo-64-thumbstick-replacement-board-review/ (http://www.nintendo-nation.net/nintendo-64-thumbstick-replacement-board-review/)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: chuckfinley on June 24, 2013, 04:35:55 PM
Post by: chuckfinley on June 24, 2013, 04:35:55 PM
Just thought I'd post here as well, I just received 2 from micro the other day and they are working beautifully !
Couldn't be happier with the results ! :)
Couldn't be happier with the results ! :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: toñogk on July 03, 2013, 12:33:04 AM
Post by: toñogk on July 03, 2013, 12:33:04 AM
Hello Micro, I'm aware the PCB's are sold out, are you planning to sell more of these?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on July 04, 2013, 05:30:29 AM
Post by: micro on July 04, 2013, 05:30:29 AM
So far the reception of the PCB's was very positive - thank you all for your praises! ;D
I'm planning on making another batch in late August or September. This time with preorder and prepayment (see 1st post).
I've also released the source code and hex file of the program. I know there are some experienced guys who want to program their own microcontrollers and now they can. :D
I'm planning on making another batch in late August or September. This time with preorder and prepayment (see 1st post).
I've also released the source code and hex file of the program. I know there are some experienced guys who want to program their own microcontrollers and now they can. :D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: maelstrom987 on July 05, 2013, 12:23:03 AM
Post by: maelstrom987 on July 05, 2013, 12:23:03 AM
Just got 4 of these in the mail from micro. Only took about a week from Germany -> US. Well packed, and worked great. Installation instructions were perfect.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: public-pervert on July 05, 2013, 12:07:07 PM
Post by: public-pervert on July 05, 2013, 12:07:07 PM
Yeeeeesss!! I'm downloading it right now!
Thanks for the source code and hex file, Micro!
Since I have lots of spare ATTINY24's here, I'll certainlly build my own board. 8)
I really appreciate your hard work, dude. Thank you very very much! ;D
Thanks for the source code and hex file, Micro!
Since I have lots of spare ATTINY24's here, I'll certainlly build my own board. 8)
I really appreciate your hard work, dude. Thank you very very much! ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: Mitchfork on August 01, 2013, 01:21:59 PM
Post by: Mitchfork on August 01, 2013, 01:21:59 PM
I just wanted to say that I performed this mod with your 1.2 code and an ATtiny24 and it works perfectly. I'll have to replace the potentiometer to get the full experience but it was lots of fun (and some frustration!) to put one of these together. I'll definitely be watching out for when these go on sale again.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: cheema201 on August 04, 2013, 10:27:21 PM
Post by: cheema201 on August 04, 2013, 10:27:21 PM
Hi there, Micro,
I purchased one of your boards (thanks for that, it arrived just recently)
I installed the board into one of the GC style N64 sticks and it was working great.
I noticed however, on a character select screen, that if I pushed down very slightly that it would keep holding down even when I let go.
I tried to re calibrate using the method outlined in the PDF and had similar results. So I tried to calibrate it using the dead zone one that is for the PSP slider (it didn't do anything, the stick didn't work at all). So I tried again to bridge the "NORM" pins and re calibrate it how it is outlined in the PDF.
Anyways, long story short - (after trying to re calibrate several times) the stick now, in game, only moves left and right. Now I can't move up and down at all!
Is there any way that I can somehow restore the stick to how it came originally and start over?
Or is the circuit board now kaput? :)
I purchased one of your boards (thanks for that, it arrived just recently)
I installed the board into one of the GC style N64 sticks and it was working great.
I noticed however, on a character select screen, that if I pushed down very slightly that it would keep holding down even when I let go.
I tried to re calibrate using the method outlined in the PDF and had similar results. So I tried to calibrate it using the dead zone one that is for the PSP slider (it didn't do anything, the stick didn't work at all). So I tried again to bridge the "NORM" pins and re calibrate it how it is outlined in the PDF.
Anyways, long story short - (after trying to re calibrate several times) the stick now, in game, only moves left and right. Now I can't move up and down at all!
Is there any way that I can somehow restore the stick to how it came originally and start over?
Or is the circuit board now kaput? :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on August 05, 2013, 12:28:34 AM
Post by: micro on August 05, 2013, 12:28:34 AM
QuoteIs there any way that I can somehow restore the stick to how it came originally and start over?Yes, turn off the console, bridge the "NORM" pins, turn on console, wait 2 seconds, turn off console, remove jumper :) After that the PCB will be in the original condition.
QuoteOr is the circuit board now kaput? :)Most likely the PCB is allright :D
I'm guessing the stick's faulty behaviour is caused by bad solder joints. You should resolder the the potentiometer's 6 pins, especially those 3 pins for the y-axis, which doesn't work at the moment. One of the three pins for each axis is GND which is a little bit harder to solder even more if you don't have a decent solder iron and the much practice in soldering. The ground pins are connected to the ground plane which will suck away the heat from your iron. You have to apply heat to these GND pins for a longer time compared to the other pins.
If you're not sure if your solder joints are okay, then just post a (sharp) picture of your PCB and I'll tell ya ;D
PS: You also need good solder joints on your pinheader or you won't be able to enable calibration mode. The pinheader's middle pin is GND and because of that it's harder to solder, too.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: cheema201 on August 05, 2013, 12:46:52 PM
Post by: cheema201 on August 05, 2013, 12:46:52 PM
I tried to do bridge the "NORM" pin and re calibrate that but it still wont go up/down.
Originally up/down was working fine.
I've some pictures here
(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/zqvg.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/536n.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/dg34.jpg/)
Should I try and hook up the PCB to a programmer and reflash it with the HEX file you provided in the first post?
Would that certainly put it back to how it was?
It looks to me like the reset pin isn't connected up with a 10kohm resistor for reprogramming (which is why I haven't tried it). But I could be wrong. Just don't wanna break this thing further :)
Looks like I might need to order a few more boards off you when you do the second batch! In case I break some.
Put me down for 4 more circuit boards :)
Edit: After some further testing it seems you are correct. The potentiometer seems faulty - but not the solder points. The y-axis doesn't move, but I can move it with a screwdrive and it works. Where can I get a replacement potentiometer from?
What is the name of this particular part? So that I can search for it. Or is it best to find a GC controller and rip it out of there?
Thanks again for your help
Originally up/down was working fine.
I've some pictures here
(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/zqvg.jpg/) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/536n.jpg/) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/dg34.jpg/)Should I try and hook up the PCB to a programmer and reflash it with the HEX file you provided in the first post?
Would that certainly put it back to how it was?
It looks to me like the reset pin isn't connected up with a 10kohm resistor for reprogramming (which is why I haven't tried it). But I could be wrong. Just don't wanna break this thing further :)
Looks like I might need to order a few more boards off you when you do the second batch! In case I break some.
Put me down for 4 more circuit boards :)
Edit: After some further testing it seems you are correct. The potentiometer seems faulty - but not the solder points. The y-axis doesn't move, but I can move it with a screwdrive and it works. Where can I get a replacement potentiometer from?
What is the name of this particular part? So that I can search for it. Or is it best to find a GC controller and rip it out of there?
Thanks again for your help
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on August 06, 2013, 02:04:02 AM
Post by: micro on August 06, 2013, 02:04:02 AM
Hmm, that's strange indeed!
But maybe it can be fixed.
The actual potentiometers (the orange ones) can be detached from the silver metal stick itself.
To do that you have to pinch the potentiometers sides with your fingers. If got finger nails it will be easier ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/EIzk9pR.jpg)
After that you can remove the potentiometer:
(http://i.imgur.com/QEt69ft.jpg)
But that's only the case if you desolder the potentiometer's three pins first.
Probably it would be best if you desolder the y-axis-potentiometer's three pins and un-clip it. Maybe we can see the problem then. Is it the potentiometer or the stick itself?
But maybe the problem is that the potentiometer isn't correctly attached to the stick (but it looks ok on the pics). In that case you turn the potentiometer with your screw driver until it's in the same position as the x-axis-potentiometer. Then you can clip it to the stick.
But maybe it can be fixed.
The actual potentiometers (the orange ones) can be detached from the silver metal stick itself.
To do that you have to pinch the potentiometers sides with your fingers. If got finger nails it will be easier ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/EIzk9pR.jpg)After that you can remove the potentiometer:
(http://i.imgur.com/QEt69ft.jpg)But that's only the case if you desolder the potentiometer's three pins first.
Probably it would be best if you desolder the y-axis-potentiometer's three pins and un-clip it. Maybe we can see the problem then. Is it the potentiometer or the stick itself?
But maybe the problem is that the potentiometer isn't correctly attached to the stick (but it looks ok on the pics). In that case you turn the potentiometer with your screw driver until it's in the same position as the x-axis-potentiometer. Then you can clip it to the stick.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: cheema201 on August 06, 2013, 01:50:05 PM
Post by: cheema201 on August 06, 2013, 01:50:05 PM
Thanks for the advice micro.
I managed to fix it!
The problem was the little black part inside the potentiometer (it didn't sit quite right). I de soldered the y-axis and removed the problematic part. Then (to avoid desoldering everything) I replaced that part because I remembered that I had a spare potentiometer sitting around from the GC stick that I originally ordered :)
I pulled the little black part out of that potentiometer and replaced it. Now the stick is gripping to the potentiometer without any problems!
I calibrated the stick and it all works brilliantly :D
I have put the stick inside the wireless controller that I made from your other thread... it's the ultimate combo 8)
Thanks again micro for your help and suggestions ;D
I managed to fix it!
The problem was the little black part inside the potentiometer (it didn't sit quite right). I de soldered the y-axis and removed the problematic part. Then (to avoid desoldering everything) I replaced that part because I remembered that I had a spare potentiometer sitting around from the GC stick that I originally ordered :)
I pulled the little black part out of that potentiometer and replaced it. Now the stick is gripping to the potentiometer without any problems!
I calibrated the stick and it all works brilliantly :D
I have put the stick inside the wireless controller that I made from your other thread... it's the ultimate combo 8)
Thanks again micro for your help and suggestions ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: Roboplodicus on August 06, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Post by: Roboplodicus on August 06, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Will the code work with ATtiny24's?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: MATSTERMIND on August 10, 2013, 04:45:46 AM
Post by: MATSTERMIND on August 10, 2013, 04:45:46 AM
Excellent work! Would you be able to post the schematics/code for the attiny13 version?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on August 14, 2013, 03:19:05 AM
Post by: micro on August 14, 2013, 03:19:05 AM
@cheema: Good work! :) I'm glad you managed to fix it. But just to be sure: You didn't exchange the potentiometer itself, but only the little black plastic disc, right?
@Robodiplodicus: Yes, it's written for the attiny24A. Have a look inside the .c file, it's explained in the very beginning of the file.
@MATSTERMIND: No, absolutely not. I don't want people to use that code because you need to set the fuses so "/RESET" can be used as a normal I/O pin. It's so easy to screw up and brick the attiny13...
@Robodiplodicus: Yes, it's written for the attiny24A. Have a look inside the .c file, it's explained in the very beginning of the file.
@MATSTERMIND: No, absolutely not. I don't want people to use that code because you need to set the fuses so "/RESET" can be used as a normal I/O pin. It's so easy to screw up and brick the attiny13...
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: cheema201 on August 15, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
Post by: cheema201 on August 15, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
Yep, changed the little black disc :)
So when can we look forward to the next batch? Or are you taking orders for them now?
I'm very keen to get my hands on some more :D
So when can we look forward to the next batch? Or are you taking orders for them now?
I'm very keen to get my hands on some more :D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: micro on August 16, 2013, 01:47:09 AM
Post by: micro on August 16, 2013, 01:47:09 AM
Preorders will start in about 1.5 weeks. I already got your email address so I'll let you know once preorders are open :) (I'm gonna send an email to all the interested people who gave me their email addresses)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 for sale (for improving the GC-style N64 stick)
Post by: Roboplodicus on August 21, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
Post by: Roboplodicus on August 21, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
Hey I was looking in the .c file and it says to switch the x-axis you do pin 10 "active-low" what does active low mean?
Edit: I got everything working right now, but it feels like the deadzone is too small, I saw that one of the pins was labeled "enable calibration with deadzones active low" how does that work exactly?
Edit: I got everything working right now, but it feels like the deadzone is too small, I saw that one of the pins was labeled "enable calibration with deadzones active low" how does that work exactly?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 - Pre-orders are open till 8th September
Post by: micro on August 24, 2013, 07:11:39 AM
Post by: micro on August 24, 2013, 07:11:39 AM
Active low means you got to connect the pin to a logical low level (=GND) to activate the function.
BTW, pre-orders for the next batch of the PCB's are open now. :D
Everyone on my mailing list should have received an email by now. If not, check your spam folder.
BTW, pre-orders for the next batch of the PCB's are open now. :D
Everyone on my mailing list should have received an email by now. If not, check your spam folder.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 - Pre-orders are open till 8th September
Post by: Roboplodicus on August 24, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Post by: Roboplodicus on August 24, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
ok, hmm, so if I ground the "enable calibration with deadzones active low" pin after I calibrate the joystick there will be a bigger deadzone than would be with just a regular calibration?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 - Pre-orders are open till 8th September
Post by: micro on August 24, 2013, 04:42:54 PM
Post by: micro on August 24, 2013, 04:42:54 PM
No. The pin is to execute calibration with deadzones. It's intended for analog sticks that don't return to their neutral default position like the PSP slider sticks.
Please refer to the PDF to see how that works (Have you even read the PDF?)
With normal calibration there's no deadzone at all because the sticks that come with my PCB don't need a deadzone.
Please refer to the PDF to see how that works (Have you even read the PDF?)
With normal calibration there's no deadzone at all because the sticks that come with my PCB don't need a deadzone.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 - Pre-orders are open till 8th September
Post by: Roboplodicus on August 25, 2013, 05:34:56 AM
Post by: Roboplodicus on August 25, 2013, 05:34:56 AM
Ok, I see, I read the pdf earlier I should have looked back at it again. I just finished the mod and the controller works great!!!!!!111 The Programming calibration was an awesome idea, here are some picks if anyone cares.
Thanks for all the help, now to decide if I'm going to order some/how many of these pcbs hmmm....
Thanks for all the help, now to decide if I'm going to order some/how many of these pcbs hmmm....
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 - Pre-orders are open till 8th September
Post by: public-pervert on August 27, 2013, 01:08:05 PM
Post by: public-pervert on August 27, 2013, 01:08:05 PM
Nice work! ;)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 - Pre-orders are open till 8th September
Post by: Catastrophic on August 31, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
Post by: Catastrophic on August 31, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
These look fantastic. Will you still be selling them after 8th of September? I'd love to buy 1 or 2 sometimes later.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1 - Pre-orders are open till 8th September
Post by: Roboplodicus on September 09, 2013, 05:09:45 PM
Post by: Roboplodicus on September 09, 2013, 05:09:45 PM
So after playing with the new controller I made, I've decided to implement a 5% deadzone by changing micros code. I'm using Atmel studio and here is what I've got, it's not working right now, I'm not exactly sure why any help would be appreciated. Here's the relevant part of the code, all I need to change is the calibration function yes?
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void Calibration(void){
uint16_t temp1, temp2;
uint16_t xNeutral16, yNeutral16;
uint16_t xMin, xMax, yMin, yMax;
uint16_t timerCounter = 0;
uint16_t xDeadzone, yDeadzone;
uint16_t xFaktor, yFaktor;
uint8_t nSchreibzugriffe = 0;
// wenn beide Deadzones = 0, dann neutrale
// Position einfach aus ADC einlesen
xNeutral16 = GetX();
yNeutral16 = GetY();
// alle min und max Werte zurücksetzen
xMin = xNeutral16;
xMax = xNeutral16;
yMin = yNeutral16;
yMax = yNeutral16;
while (1)
{
//min und max Werte für X-Achse bestimmen
temp1 = GetX();
if (temp1 > xMax)
xMax = temp1;
if (temp1 < xMin)
xMin = temp1;
//min und max Werte für Y-Achse bestimmen
temp1 = GetY();
if (temp1 > yMax)
yMax = temp1;
if (temp1 < yMin)
yMin = temp1;
timerCounter++;
// ca. jede Sekunde, aber insg. höchstens 60 Mal:
if ( (timerCounter>4000) && (nSchreibzugriffe<60) )
{
// Kalibrierung beendet
eeprom_write_byte(&calibrationStep, 0x00);
nSchreibzugriffe++;
timerCounter = 0;
// Faktor für X-Achse:
if ( (xMax - xNeutral16) < (xNeutral16 - xMin) )
temp1 = xMax - xNeutral16;
else
temp1 = xNeutral16 - xMin;
// Deadzone abziehen
xDeadzone = temp1/20;
eeprom_write_byte( &dx, (uint8_t) xDeadzone);
temp1 = temp1-xDeadzone;
// Verstärkungsfaktor berechnen
xFaktor = ((MIN_RANGE*256)/temp1);
// falls Rest übrig, noch einen drauf!
if ( ((MIN_RANGE*256)%temp1) > 0 )
xFaktor++;
// im EEPROM speichern
eeprom_write_byte(&cx, (uint8_t) xFaktor);
// Faktor für Y-Achse:
if ( (yMax - yNeutral16) < (yNeutral16 - yMin) )
temp1 = yMax - yNeutral16;
else
temp1 = yNeutral16 - yMin;
// Deadzone abziehen
yDeadzone = (uint8_t) (temp1/20);
eeprom_write_byte( &dy, (uint8_t) yDeadzone);
temp1 = temp1 - yDeadzone;
// Faktor berechnen
yFaktor = ((MIN_RANGE*256)/temp1);
// falls Rest übrig , noch einen drauf!
if ( ((MIN_RANGE*256)%temp1) > 0 )
yFaktor++;
// im EEPROM speichern
eeprom_write_byte(&cy, (uint8_t) yFaktor);
}
}
while (1);
}
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: peterwright1234 on September 14, 2013, 05:11:09 PM
Post by: peterwright1234 on September 14, 2013, 05:11:09 PM
Any chance these are still available or will be available soon? I'll send a pm.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Majoras Mask on September 28, 2013, 10:39:04 PM
Post by: Majoras Mask on September 28, 2013, 10:39:04 PM
Hello, just wanted to say thank you very much for this!
As a serious N64 gamer it feels very good to have solid
and reliable controls now for a foreseeable future with many
hours of gaming.
I have assembled and tested one of the four kits today,
and it seems to work very nice indeed.
One question: When I calibrated and then tested a game for the first time, the "left-right-axis"
movements of the stick were inactive - so I took it apart again for trouble shooting and noticed
I'd missed to solder the pins that connect to the "left-right" pot.
But after soldering those and reassembling, it seems to work fine - but should I do the calibration again
just in case?
As a serious N64 gamer it feels very good to have solid
and reliable controls now for a foreseeable future with many
hours of gaming.
I have assembled and tested one of the four kits today,
and it seems to work very nice indeed.
One question: When I calibrated and then tested a game for the first time, the "left-right-axis"
movements of the stick were inactive - so I took it apart again for trouble shooting and noticed
I'd missed to solder the pins that connect to the "left-right" pot.
But after soldering those and reassembling, it seems to work fine - but should I do the calibration again
just in case?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on September 28, 2013, 10:42:02 PM
Post by: micro on September 28, 2013, 10:42:02 PM
Yes, I'd calibrate the stick again, just to be sure.
PS: All the emails I've sent to you got rejected... But because you've received the PCB's by now, it doesn't matter anymore... ;D
PS: All the emails I've sent to you got rejected... But because you've received the PCB's by now, it doesn't matter anymore... ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Majoras Mask on September 29, 2013, 03:15:56 AM
Post by: Majoras Mask on September 29, 2013, 03:15:56 AM
Cool, thanks you for a super quick reply!
I have actually played with it for some time now (have not calibrated again though, yet), and it works flawlessly, very nice, but I will take your advice and do the calibration soon.
Yeah, it's strange that the emails got rejected. I don't know why that is, sorry about that
but everything worked out great anyway ;D
I have actually played with it for some time now (have not calibrated again though, yet), and it works flawlessly, very nice, but I will take your advice and do the calibration soon.
Yeah, it's strange that the emails got rejected. I don't know why that is, sorry about that
but everything worked out great anyway ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: nathan118 on September 30, 2013, 07:00:30 AM
Post by: nathan118 on September 30, 2013, 07:00:30 AM
Haven't gotten my pcbs, but can't wait!
Quick question...when calibrating for "4 seconds," I assume it doesn't matter how quickly that occurs, does it? I can power on the system, carefully pick up the controller, and then start rotating the stick for 4 seconds, right?
Or does the calibration need to happen quickly? Does it not start calibrating until it gets moved?
Thanks for the clarification.
Quick question...when calibrating for "4 seconds," I assume it doesn't matter how quickly that occurs, does it? I can power on the system, carefully pick up the controller, and then start rotating the stick for 4 seconds, right?
Or does the calibration need to happen quickly? Does it not start calibrating until it gets moved?
Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on October 01, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Post by: micro on October 01, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Yes, turn on the console, pick up the controller and swirl the stick a few times. It doesn't have to be done quickly :)
The calibration starts immediatly after the first power-on, and then you got about 60 seconds to do your spins.
The calibration starts immediatly after the first power-on, and then you got about 60 seconds to do your spins.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: nathan118 on October 01, 2013, 11:37:32 AM
Post by: nathan118 on October 01, 2013, 11:37:32 AM
Got them today! Woo hoo!
Any tips before I get to work on them? Will absolutely be using some helping hands...but what about getting those first couple soldering points in? Can't just hold the pcb with the helping hands, because the potentiometer will fall out. Hold the potentiometer with the helping hands, and set the pcb on top? That makes more sense.
Any other tips from people that have done this before? Thanks everybody, and thanks micro!
Any tips before I get to work on them? Will absolutely be using some helping hands...but what about getting those first couple soldering points in? Can't just hold the pcb with the helping hands, because the potentiometer will fall out. Hold the potentiometer with the helping hands, and set the pcb on top? That makes more sense.
Any other tips from people that have done this before? Thanks everybody, and thanks micro!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: nathan118 on October 01, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Post by: nathan118 on October 01, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
And one more question...the sticks on my "gamecube style" sticks look ok...but they're noticeably smaller than a gamecube stick (more like the size of the N64 stick).
I see these on ebay though...has anyone tried something like this?
http://goo.gl/ORmEVH (http://goo.gl/ORmEVH)
For a couple bucks I'd be will to give it a try. Looks like it might have a bit larger diameter than the gamecube style N64 replacement sticks I already bought. Of course I need those for the housing.....but if there are superior sticks out there, I'm all for it. Bigger is better here as far as I'm concerned, as long as it still fits in the housing and everything.
Thoughts?
I see you did a true GameCube stick mod micro...but your YouTube video is like 3 years old. Do GameCube sticks fit on the metal stick? And I see you said the octagonal gate needs to be replaced. Sounds like it's not a super easy mod.
I see these on ebay though...has anyone tried something like this?
http://goo.gl/ORmEVH (http://goo.gl/ORmEVH)
For a couple bucks I'd be will to give it a try. Looks like it might have a bit larger diameter than the gamecube style N64 replacement sticks I already bought. Of course I need those for the housing.....but if there are superior sticks out there, I'm all for it. Bigger is better here as far as I'm concerned, as long as it still fits in the housing and everything.
Thoughts?
I see you did a true GameCube stick mod micro...but your YouTube video is like 3 years old. Do GameCube sticks fit on the metal stick? And I see you said the octagonal gate needs to be replaced. Sounds like it's not a super easy mod.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Yurkie on October 02, 2013, 11:25:25 AM
Post by: Yurkie on October 02, 2013, 11:25:25 AM
I got my 4 kits today. I am in Toledo,OH so I bet other US customers will be getting theirs very soon. I modded one controller and couldn't be happier with the results! It is awesome to have a stick that is super durable and be able to do the sword spin attack in Zelda OoC.
I played some Mario Kart 64 and have to say the control is much nicer with the mod kit, even though the stock gamecube joystick worked.
For those waiting to receive and install, I recommend that you take your time and follow Micro's installation sheet carefully. I was glad to put my together and have it calibrate and work properly the first time. It would really be a bummer to have to dissemble the controller and have to fix something because one got in a hurry.
Thanks a million for a great product Micro! :)
OFF Topic: I sent you an email asking about possibility of one of these modded sticks for use in a Atari 5200 controller. Very curious if you have a moment to answer my email Micro.
I played some Mario Kart 64 and have to say the control is much nicer with the mod kit, even though the stock gamecube joystick worked.
For those waiting to receive and install, I recommend that you take your time and follow Micro's installation sheet carefully. I was glad to put my together and have it calibrate and work properly the first time. It would really be a bummer to have to dissemble the controller and have to fix something because one got in a hurry.
Thanks a million for a great product Micro! :)
OFF Topic: I sent you an email asking about possibility of one of these modded sticks for use in a Atari 5200 controller. Very curious if you have a moment to answer my email Micro.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Trog13 on October 02, 2013, 04:06:38 PM
Post by: Trog13 on October 02, 2013, 04:06:38 PM
I got my kits today. These were pretty easy to do. I really like how they turned out. Thanks Micro.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Catastrophic on October 10, 2013, 03:45:34 AM
Post by: Catastrophic on October 10, 2013, 03:45:34 AM
Got my batch today. I don't have spare sticks at the moment but they'll definitely come in handy sometime!
Just wondering, does this PCB really work with any common potentiometer joystick out there such as a PSX one? You simply need to solder it on, calibrate it and it will work fine? Thanks a lot Micro!
Just wondering, does this PCB really work with any common potentiometer joystick out there such as a PSX one? You simply need to solder it on, calibrate it and it will work fine? Thanks a lot Micro!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on October 11, 2013, 01:18:05 AM
Post by: micro on October 11, 2013, 01:18:05 AM
Thanks for all your all your praises, guys! ;D
@nathan:
* I don't think a Gamecube stick cap will fit the small metal shaft, IIRC original Nintendo Gamecube stick pots got big plastic metal shafts...
* Yes you can use my PCB to install a real Gamecube stick but you still have to deal with aligning and glueing in the stick + gate which can be quite time consuming ;)
* One way to prevent the stick from falling out of the PCB: Put some solder on your iron. Put in the stick, press it against the PCB with one hand. With your other hand solder one pin+pad. This will result in a not so nice solder joint but the stick can't fall out of the PCB anymore. Then solder all the other pins and also rework that first bad solder joint :)
@Catastrophic: Yes, PSX should work. But you also have the problem of perfectly aligning stick + gate.
I still got about a dozen PCB's left from that batch. So if someone needs/wants some PCB's, just drop me a line :)
@nathan:
* I don't think a Gamecube stick cap will fit the small metal shaft, IIRC original Nintendo Gamecube stick pots got big plastic metal shafts...
* Yes you can use my PCB to install a real Gamecube stick but you still have to deal with aligning and glueing in the stick + gate which can be quite time consuming ;)
* One way to prevent the stick from falling out of the PCB: Put some solder on your iron. Put in the stick, press it against the PCB with one hand. With your other hand solder one pin+pad. This will result in a not so nice solder joint but the stick can't fall out of the PCB anymore. Then solder all the other pins and also rework that first bad solder joint :)
@Catastrophic: Yes, PSX should work. But you also have the problem of perfectly aligning stick + gate.
I still got about a dozen PCB's left from that batch. So if someone needs/wants some PCB's, just drop me a line :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: nathan118 on October 11, 2013, 12:36:52 PM
Post by: nathan118 on October 11, 2013, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: micro on October 11, 2013, 01:18:05 AM
@nathan:
* I don't think a Gamecube stick cap will fit the small metal shaft, IIRC original Nintendo Gamecube stick pots got big plastic metal shafts...
* Yes you can use my PCB to install a real Gamecube stick but you still have to deal with aligning and glueing in the stick + gate which can be quite time consuming ;)
You're right micro...gamecube stick needs a bigger "shaft." haha. You could probably glue it on, but trying to get it nice and straight up in the controller would be super hard, and I don't know how weird the smaller gate of the n64 controller would feel.
Have modified 2 controllers so far with your PCB...and the results are awesome! Thanks so much.
Nathan
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: nathan118 on October 15, 2013, 08:26:10 AM
Post by: nathan118 on October 15, 2013, 08:26:10 AM
Have done 8 controllers now, and they've all worked perfectly on the first try! And I'm not a soldering expert by any means (have replaced 10-15 game batteries).
Something I tried to do was reuse the original wires. The wires that came with the new control stick...the little white piece that plugs into the board is a really tight fit, so reusing the original one is much easier. But on the new controllers, the wires aren't as long...and it BARELY reaches. In fact, if you desolder the original wires instead of cut them, they're already stripped and tinned!
So excited about these, and so glad you made them micro. Cheers!
Something I tried to do was reuse the original wires. The wires that came with the new control stick...the little white piece that plugs into the board is a really tight fit, so reusing the original one is much easier. But on the new controllers, the wires aren't as long...and it BARELY reaches. In fact, if you desolder the original wires instead of cut them, they're already stripped and tinned!
So excited about these, and so glad you made them micro. Cheers!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: hennahacker on October 25, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
Post by: hennahacker on October 25, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
Before I attempt this myself, I'd like to ask everyone who has gotten these PCBs; has anyone tried/had any success with fitting an XB360 pot assembly and thumbstick into the aftermarket joystick casing? What issues, if any, have there been and have you been able to rectify them in any way? I ask because the tops of the 360 sticks fit my thumb really nicely, and I'd like to do that if possible, rather than having to epoxy something together.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: DragoonC on October 27, 2013, 05:31:06 AM
Post by: DragoonC on October 27, 2013, 05:31:06 AM
Just for optional information:
I got my third party N64 controllers today, made by Eaxus.
These controllers got the original N64 Joystick, but with potentionmeters.
Only 4 pins used for the joystick to the pcb, like old style N64 controllers, very easy to mod.
I got my third party N64 controllers today, made by Eaxus.
These controllers got the original N64 Joystick, but with potentionmeters.
Only 4 pins used for the joystick to the pcb, like old style N64 controllers, very easy to mod.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: snucked on October 28, 2013, 08:25:31 AM
Post by: snucked on October 28, 2013, 08:25:31 AM
Quote from: DragoonC on October 27, 2013, 05:31:06 AM
Just for optional information:
I got my third party N64 controllers today, made by Eaxus.
These controllers got the original N64 Joystick, but with potentionmeters.
Only 4 pins used for the joystick to the pcb, like old style N64 controllers, very easy to mod.
Could you provide some pictures if you're able to? =)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: public-pervert on October 28, 2013, 09:53:07 PM
Post by: public-pervert on October 28, 2013, 09:53:07 PM
No. Original n64 joysticks uses photodiode and rotary encoder in a completely different protocol. The controller you got, uses just a pot for each axis. And yes, pot joysticks are very easy to mod ;)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: hennahacker on November 02, 2013, 03:48:17 PM
Post by: hennahacker on November 02, 2013, 03:48:17 PM
I've successfully assembled 2 of these; however since installing the new sticks, my memory pak has been playing up. Anyone else hit this, or is it just me? (It might be the pak, it's quite old and is secondhand.)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Grambo on November 02, 2013, 04:05:51 PM
Post by: Grambo on November 02, 2013, 04:05:51 PM
I have 4 in use regularly and no issues with my Controller Pak. That being said, I have the old PCBs.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: nathan118 on November 03, 2013, 04:02:56 AM
Post by: nathan118 on November 03, 2013, 04:02:56 AM
Quote from: hennahacker on November 02, 2013, 03:48:17 PM
I've successfully assembled 2 of these; however since installing the new sticks, my memory pak has been playing up. Anyone else hit this, or is it just me? (It might be the pak, it's quite old and is secondhand.)
Doesn't seem like the PCB of the joystick would have any effect on the rest of the controller's pcb that the controller pak goes through. Will test mine out soon and check (with newest PCB revision).
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Necrocephalic on November 09, 2013, 11:03:39 PM
Post by: Necrocephalic on November 09, 2013, 11:03:39 PM
Heard about the PCB fix for the stick replacement and this thread, so I just joined the forums now. Do you still sell/gonna sell more of these PCB boards? :) and this will fix the skipping problems when you push the thumbstick right? like instead of moving from step 2 to 4-6-8-10-12-16-20-24, it will hit all steps like 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-etc.?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Freeman on November 14, 2013, 10:46:58 PM
Post by: Freeman on November 14, 2013, 10:46:58 PM
Hi!
I would be also interested to buy some of them (5~10)
So disappointed to discover this topic only now... :'(
I would be also interested to buy some of them (5~10)
So disappointed to discover this topic only now... :'(
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: SeanyC on November 18, 2013, 03:34:52 PM
Post by: SeanyC on November 18, 2013, 03:34:52 PM
There are a lot of smashers here (http://smashboards.com/threads/3rd-party-replacement-joystick-guide.336450/ (http://smashboards.com/threads/3rd-party-replacement-joystick-guide.336450/)) looking for a solution like this that combines the durability of these 3rd party joysticks with the precision of the original n64 sticks. Let us know when you have more in stock!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: BonaC on November 21, 2013, 07:55:30 AM
Post by: BonaC on November 21, 2013, 07:55:30 AM
Hi!
I just bought and installed a pair of these gamecube styled sticks and I was really disappointed that I can't play Goldeneye with them. :'( I'd really want to save my N64 from the scrap heap.
Is there any of these circuit boards left? I'd be very interested in buying a couple.
I just bought and installed a pair of these gamecube styled sticks and I was really disappointed that I can't play Goldeneye with them. :'( I'd really want to save my N64 from the scrap heap.
Is there any of these circuit boards left? I'd be very interested in buying a couple.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on November 21, 2013, 08:24:25 AM
Post by: micro on November 21, 2013, 08:24:25 AM
As mentioned in the first post of this thread, the PCB's are currently sold out. So no, I don't have any left at the moment ;)
There will be a new batch, but I'm not sure when. Maybe early 2014? February? Check this thread for new informations once a month and you won't miss the next batch! :)
There will be a new batch, but I'm not sure when. Maybe early 2014? February? Check this thread for new informations once a month and you won't miss the next batch! :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Catastrophic on November 23, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
Post by: Catastrophic on November 23, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
Alright I just soldered an analog stick to one of the boards. Getting the solder to stick to the holes was a pain so some of the solder joints are a bit too thick. I'm fairly satisfied nonetheless.
Is this ok micro?(sorry about the blurriness)
Is this ok micro?(sorry about the blurriness)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: nathan118 on November 23, 2013, 10:29:46 AM
Post by: nathan118 on November 23, 2013, 10:29:46 AM
Weird...my solder went on just fine...only needed a little. Iron not hot enough? Bad solder?
As long as none of then are bridged though, it should be fine.
As long as none of then are bridged though, it should be fine.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on November 23, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
Post by: micro on November 23, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
Your solder joints are pretty big (you soldered both pads), but I agree with nathan. As long as there are no shorts between them you shouldn't have any problems.
Usually it should be easy to solder in the stick and the pin header. But there are 3 solder pads that are connected to a big ground plane.
Soldering these pins can be a little bit more difficult if you got a weak soldering iron. In that case it helps to set the temperature higher and/or to hold the soldering iron tip for a longer time to the pad & pin.
Usually it should be easy to solder in the stick and the pin header. But there are 3 solder pads that are connected to a big ground plane.
Soldering these pins can be a little bit more difficult if you got a weak soldering iron. In that case it helps to set the temperature higher and/or to hold the soldering iron tip for a longer time to the pad & pin.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Catastrophic on November 24, 2013, 02:44:57 PM
Post by: Catastrophic on November 24, 2013, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: micro on November 23, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
Soldering these pins can be a little bit more difficult if you got a weak soldering iron. In that case it helps to set the temperature higher and/or to hold the soldering iron tip for a longer time to the pad & pin.
WHOOPS. Now I know what I did wrong. Instead of heating up the pin from the joystick and then applying solder directly to it I instead relied on the soldering iron to melt the solder. Guess I'll keep that in mind when I make the next one.
I carefully checked if there were any bridges but found none. I suppose it will work just fine. What heat do you usually use when you solder?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on November 24, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
Post by: micro on November 24, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
Unfortunately that's a very bad way to solder. Maybe you should think about removing the solder joints (with desolder braid or a desolder pump) and solder the pins again.
In order to get a good solder joint you have to heat the pin and the pad at the same time while applying fresh solder. Always use solder with flux! :D
This video explains it quite well:
How and WHY to Solder Correctly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4#)
My solder iron is set 350 °C for "normal" solder work. When dealing with really big ground planes I'm setting the temperature at 400 or even 450 °C. (The ground plane on the N64 stick converter PCB isn't really that big ;) )
In order to get a good solder joint you have to heat the pin and the pad at the same time while applying fresh solder. Always use solder with flux! :D
This video explains it quite well:
How and WHY to Solder Correctly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4#)
My solder iron is set 350 °C for "normal" solder work. When dealing with really big ground planes I'm setting the temperature at 400 or even 450 °C. (The ground plane on the N64 stick converter PCB isn't really that big ;) )
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Catastrophic on November 25, 2013, 07:52:47 AM
Post by: Catastrophic on November 25, 2013, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: micro on November 24, 2013, 03:20:02 PMNice video. Very helpful! The solder I used were a few leftovers I brought home with me from school and they've been sitting in a cabinet for a couple of months. When I got the solder to stick to the board I held the soldering iron to the pin for a few seconds to even out the solder. Looking on the top of the plate you can see that the solder went through properly. I currently don't own a desoldering pump but I think the joints are passable for now. Thanks for the info!
Unfortunately that's a very bad way to solder. Maybe you should think about removing the solder joints (with desolder braid or a desolder pump) and solder the pins again.
In order to get a good solder joint you have to heat the pin and the pad at the same time while applying fresh solder. Always use solder with flux! :D
This video explains it quite well:
How and WHY to Solder Correctly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4#)
My solder iron is set 350 °C for "normal" solder work. When dealing with really big ground planes I'm setting the temperature at 400 or even 450 °C. (The ground plane on the N64 stick converter PCB isn't really that big ;) )
One more question though. On most soldering irons I've seen, when you apply solder on to the tip it flows in a bright gray colour like the way it should. When I applied solder to my iron it instead just kind of burned with a brown colour(presumably the flux). Is it because the iron is too corroded? Or is the solder just too old?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Catastrophic on November 27, 2013, 04:22:13 AM
Post by: Catastrophic on November 27, 2013, 04:22:13 AM
I finally managed to assemble one of these joysticks and I'm really happy about the results! The joystick test app shows that the upper boundary a little bigger than the lower boundary, but I'm sure that's perfectly normal. Thanks Micro! ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on November 28, 2013, 04:24:20 AM
Post by: micro on November 28, 2013, 04:24:20 AM
Glad you like it! If you didn't use too much force during calibration then your test app should show at least +/- 81 steps per axis and at most +/-84 steps. So yes, a small difference is absolutely ok! :D
Quote from: Catastrophic on November 25, 2013, 07:52:47 AMHard to say, but the moment you apply fresh solder to your iron the tip shouldn't be brown already. Maybe the temperature is too high?
One more question though. On most soldering irons I've seen, when you apply solder on to the tip it flows in a bright gray colour like the way it should. When I applied solder to my iron it instead just kind of burned with a brown colour(presumably the flux). Is it because the iron is too corroded? Or is the solder just too old?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: PluueeR on December 16, 2013, 11:17:22 PM
Post by: PluueeR on December 16, 2013, 11:17:22 PM
Micro: Are you planning on a new batch of these? I need two for my controllers :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on December 17, 2013, 02:50:38 AM
Post by: micro on December 17, 2013, 02:50:38 AM
Yes, I'm planning on making a new batch in early ferbruary 2014 :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: PluueeR on December 17, 2013, 06:48:58 PM
Post by: PluueeR on December 17, 2013, 06:48:58 PM
Great! Please sign me up for two!
Which GC style stick do I need to order on Ebay?
Are these the correct ones: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=231060829193 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=231060829193)
Which GC style stick do I need to order on Ebay?
Are these the correct ones: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=231060829193 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=231060829193)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Paar on December 22, 2013, 09:14:21 PM
Post by: Paar on December 22, 2013, 09:14:21 PM
Should be fine. I bought the sticks from here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170684364342?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170684364342?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Micro: Made two controllers, every one of them works like charm. Thank you, now my Nintendo 64 is perfect, with RGB mod and this beautiful stick. Looking forward for the next batch!
Micro: Made two controllers, every one of them works like charm. Thank you, now my Nintendo 64 is perfect, with RGB mod and this beautiful stick. Looking forward for the next batch!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: caleb2190 on January 06, 2014, 03:24:19 PM
Post by: caleb2190 on January 06, 2014, 03:24:19 PM
I would like to buy 5 of these joystick pcbs. What do I need to do?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on January 06, 2014, 04:32:14 PM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on January 06, 2014, 04:32:14 PM
I would like to express my interest in two of these sticks, too.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Freeman on January 07, 2014, 07:38:04 PM
Post by: Freeman on January 07, 2014, 07:38:04 PM
I would buy 10, for sure. I just hope it will be possible... :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on January 09, 2014, 01:25:57 AM
Post by: micro on January 09, 2014, 01:25:57 AM
Quote from: caleb2190 on January 06, 2014, 03:24:19 PMWait till February! ;D
I would like to buy 5 of these joystick pcbs. What do I need to do?
I predict there will be enough PCB's for everyone. The stock will probably last for at least 4 to 6 weeks, just like the last time(s).
Just keep an eye on this thread in February!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: lhnova on January 12, 2014, 08:03:44 AM
Post by: lhnova on January 12, 2014, 08:03:44 AM
This is just brilliant, can't wait till you get these back in stock!
One thing I've been wondering about is the possibility of adding some non-linear mapping options that emulate the behavior of modern analogue controllers ps/xbox etc. particularly to make n64 shooters more controllable on these sticks.
I think the reason shooters like GE/PD feel twitchy on these modern analogue sticks is due to the controller/most games not taking advantage of any exponential curve to map the inputs.
*I may be completely wrong calling it exponential mapping but that's what I know from RC radios where the function of adding a more gradual input curve near the deadzone is called "expo"
The original n64 stick has what feels like some hardware expo built in since it's very easy to find the end of the deadzone and it has a precise resistance that's proportional to the amount of stick input. That combination makes small /precise inputs relatively easy. Playing n64 games/shooters on more modern analogues with linear mapping means making small movements is trickier especially near the higher resistance deadzone, I always feel like there's a "hump" of resistance right at the start of the movement which is annoying.
The hori minipad works better than others on n64 I think because the overall resistance on the stick is very light so that initial hump and deadzone imprecision is less noticeable, but I believe the mapping is still linear and I would bet a nonlinear mapping could help even there.
So my question is this... with a custom coded Atmel on one of these pcbs it should be possible to write some software into the controller itself to add some more gradual input mapping/expo right?
Have you considered doing something like this if it's possible, that would be very interesting to me!
Granted I haven't tried one of these pcb and your current firmware yet so maybe the issue is already solved with your calibration approach but if not I'd be interested in your comments.
Cheers
--
One thing I've been wondering about is the possibility of adding some non-linear mapping options that emulate the behavior of modern analogue controllers ps/xbox etc. particularly to make n64 shooters more controllable on these sticks.
I think the reason shooters like GE/PD feel twitchy on these modern analogue sticks is due to the controller/most games not taking advantage of any exponential curve to map the inputs.
*I may be completely wrong calling it exponential mapping but that's what I know from RC radios where the function of adding a more gradual input curve near the deadzone is called "expo"
The original n64 stick has what feels like some hardware expo built in since it's very easy to find the end of the deadzone and it has a precise resistance that's proportional to the amount of stick input. That combination makes small /precise inputs relatively easy. Playing n64 games/shooters on more modern analogues with linear mapping means making small movements is trickier especially near the higher resistance deadzone, I always feel like there's a "hump" of resistance right at the start of the movement which is annoying.
The hori minipad works better than others on n64 I think because the overall resistance on the stick is very light so that initial hump and deadzone imprecision is less noticeable, but I believe the mapping is still linear and I would bet a nonlinear mapping could help even there.
So my question is this... with a custom coded Atmel on one of these pcbs it should be possible to write some software into the controller itself to add some more gradual input mapping/expo right?
Have you considered doing something like this if it's possible, that would be very interesting to me!
Granted I haven't tried one of these pcb and your current firmware yet so maybe the issue is already solved with your calibration approach but if not I'd be interested in your comments.
Cheers
--
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on January 12, 2014, 11:15:43 PM
Post by: micro on January 12, 2014, 11:15:43 PM
No, I definitely won't invest time and labor to try out non-linear mapping options. The x- and y-axis position of the original N64 stick is linear to the angle of the stick... IMO the different feeling is caused by the weaker spring inside potentiometer-based sticks. The original N64 stick had a strong spring and you had to use quite some force to move the stick...
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: mr aize on January 28, 2014, 11:48:34 PM
Post by: mr aize on January 28, 2014, 11:48:34 PM
Hi there, just joined after reading about this bit of brilliance. Have a couple of older sticks which are on the way out but more importantly, I got two chinese knock off controllers a year or so ago, which are both useless for goldeneye, because of the increased sensitivity etc... They have different pcbs than the original ones and only have 4 wires going to the joystick (i'm guessing no 3.3v and ground) like these ones http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Thumbstick-Joystick-Repair-Replacement-for-Nintendo-64-N64-Controller-/181276567563?pt=UK_VG_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item2a34ece80b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Thumbstick-Joystick-Repair-Replacement-for-Nintendo-64-N64-Controller-/181276567563?pt=UK_VG_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item2a34ece80b) I can provide pics if wanted. My question would be, is there any way to use this pcb or an attiny24 with these controllers or is it impossible because of the different design of the main pcb? Thanks
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Cobretti on January 29, 2014, 10:25:29 PM
Post by: Cobretti on January 29, 2014, 10:25:29 PM
wow this thing looks great. Excellent work micro.
Will be interested in buying 10 so hit me up. I will be away on work in Feb so please PM me as I would appreciate to buy from the next batch.
Will be interested in buying 10 so hit me up. I will be away on work in Feb so please PM me as I would appreciate to buy from the next batch.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: GSM on January 31, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
Post by: GSM on January 31, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
I need 4 :D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Nukkus on February 04, 2014, 10:25:10 PM
Post by: Nukkus on February 04, 2014, 10:25:10 PM
I'm definitely going to buy one of these when they are ready. Do you know of a place where i can get a new stick cap though? mine is broken.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Sjb266 on February 05, 2014, 12:03:25 AM
Post by: Sjb266 on February 05, 2014, 12:03:25 AM
Amazing work micro..
Put me down for 8..
Cheers
S
Put me down for 8..
Cheers
S
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: micro on February 05, 2014, 05:10:35 AM
Post by: micro on February 05, 2014, 05:10:35 AM
Guys, please...
Yes it's February but the PCB's aren't ready yet. I guess it will take another week or so... Stay tuned! ;D
Yes it's February but the PCB's aren't ready yet. I guess it will take another week or so... Stay tuned! ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 05, 2014, 08:36:06 PM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 05, 2014, 08:36:06 PM
Thanks! Please let us know when they're ready. :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.1
Post by: Cobretti on February 05, 2014, 11:03:20 PM
Post by: Cobretti on February 05, 2014, 11:03:20 PM
Quote from: micro on February 05, 2014, 05:10:35 AM
Guys, please...
Yes it's February but the PCB's aren't ready yet. I guess it will take another week or so... Stay tuned! ;D
Excellent news. I will probably be away on work by then for two weeks so hopefully you will have some left lol. Please PM me if you can and I'll try to respond on my mobile phone. Thanks
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on February 10, 2014, 02:18:48 AM
Post by: micro on February 10, 2014, 02:18:48 AM
The PCB's are available again! :D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: GSM on February 10, 2014, 02:21:49 AM
Post by: GSM on February 10, 2014, 02:21:49 AM
Quote from: micro on February 10, 2014, 02:18:48 AM
The PCB's are available again! :D
Hurray :-D Sign me up for 4:-)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 10, 2014, 05:44:52 AM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 10, 2014, 05:44:52 AM
@micro: I've sent you a PM for 2 pcs. :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: abduct on February 11, 2014, 04:59:33 AM
Post by: abduct on February 11, 2014, 04:59:33 AM
Does the PCB come preflashed/soldered? Also how do you want us to contact you about quantity of shipping? Though a PM?
edit: nvm read the first post, sending pm in a bit.
edit: nvm read the first post, sending pm in a bit.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Nukkus on February 12, 2014, 12:20:30 AM
Post by: Nukkus on February 12, 2014, 12:20:30 AM
Ordered! I love how your included analogs have the 60 degree pots!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Nina on February 12, 2014, 02:07:10 AM
Post by: Nina on February 12, 2014, 02:07:10 AM
I will buy 4 PCB´s micro!!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: PLT on February 14, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
Post by: PLT on February 14, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: micro on February 10, 2014, 02:18:48 AM
The PCB's are available again! :D
Yay!!!! Nice to know that! I subscribed to the forum mainly for your work, so i'm going to place my 4 pieces order "as we speak"!!!! I'm happy as a kid now... By the way, since this is my first post here, HELLO EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: GSM on February 14, 2014, 09:10:20 PM
Post by: GSM on February 14, 2014, 09:10:20 PM
Got mine soldered up and working great :D Now i just need 3 nostalgic friends who wants to play Golden Eye ::)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on February 14, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
Post by: micro on February 14, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
THANKS, GSM! You're the first one confirming that this batch is actually working ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Catastrophic on February 15, 2014, 08:55:14 AM
Post by: Catastrophic on February 15, 2014, 08:55:14 AM
Quote from: micro on February 14, 2014, 09:25:30 PMYou didn't test one beforehand? :o
THANKS, GSM! You're the first one confirming that this batch is actually working ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 15, 2014, 06:39:31 PM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 15, 2014, 06:39:31 PM
That's why all of his posts end with an
Code Select
;D-emoticon.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on February 15, 2014, 08:14:37 PM
Post by: micro on February 15, 2014, 08:14:37 PM
Of course I've tested a single one. But it's still a big relief when someone else can confirm the first successful installation.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Nukkus on February 19, 2014, 04:32:29 AM
Post by: Nukkus on February 19, 2014, 04:32:29 AM
After 10 mins of work, and even though my stick cap is half broken, this board DELIVERS. I have never seen such a smooth accurate stick. Feels better than a brand new stock OEM controller. I am going to recommend this kit to everyone I know!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on February 19, 2014, 07:41:51 AM
Post by: micro on February 19, 2014, 07:41:51 AM
Thanks for your feedback! :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 19, 2014, 07:17:52 PM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 19, 2014, 07:17:52 PM
Anyone know how to open these sticks? I attempted to open one that I didn't care too much about for practice but damn is it hard! I even bought a box cutter/utility knife for the occasion and it was still hard. The knife would barely fit and there's knife marks all across the case. Eventually I got it open but not before the clips broke and the case looked like a mangled mess. There seems to be 2 clips or something near the circles where the screws would go in. They're inside the case. But these can be damaged if you're sticking a knife in the seams near the circles. Anyone have any idea on how to open this stick without breaking the clips and causing the case to become mangled with knife marks? Any other tools I can use? I thought a box cutter would be the smallest knife I could use but I also have a butter like knife that has a thin blade. Hmm, I'll need another practice dummy but advice would be appreciated!
(After all these sticks cost roughly 8 to 9 dollars a pop. Pretty expensive for practicing. I wish I knew where I could buy these in bulk without spending an arm and a leg.
(After all these sticks cost roughly 8 to 9 dollars a pop. Pretty expensive for practicing. I wish I knew where I could buy these in bulk without spending an arm and a leg.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: snucked on February 20, 2014, 01:20:16 AM
Post by: snucked on February 20, 2014, 01:20:16 AM
Quote from: TheDrifter363 on February 19, 2014, 07:17:52 PM
Anyone know how to open these sticks? I attempted to open one that I didn't care too much about for practice but damn is it hard! I even bought a box cutter/utility knife for the occasion and it was still hard. The knife would barely fit and there's knife marks all across the case. Eventually I got it open but not before the clips broke and the case looked like a mangled mess. There seems to be 2 clips or something near the circles where the screws would go in. They're inside the case. But these can be damaged if you're sticking a knife in the seams near the circles. Anyone have any idea on how to open this stick without breaking the clips and causing the case to become mangled with knife marks? Any other tools I can use? I thought a box cutter would be the smallest knife I could use but I also have a butter like knife that has a thin blade. Hmm, I'll need another practice dummy but advice would be appreciated!
(After all these sticks cost roughly 8 to 9 dollars a pop. Pretty expensive for practicing. I wish I knew where I could buy these in bulk without spending an arm and a leg.
I use a chisel and a hammer. One decent hit from the front separates most of the glue. Then I lift the clips and open.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Nukkus on February 20, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
Post by: Nukkus on February 20, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
Quote from: snucked on February 20, 2014, 01:20:16 AMQuote from: TheDrifter363 on February 19, 2014, 07:17:52 PM
Anyone know how to open these sticks? I attempted to open one that I didn't care too much about for practice but damn is it hard! I even bought a box cutter/utility knife for the occasion and it was still hard. The knife would barely fit and there's knife marks all across the case. Eventually I got it open but not before the clips broke and the case looked like a mangled mess. There seems to be 2 clips or something near the circles where the screws would go in. They're inside the case. But these can be damaged if you're sticking a knife in the seams near the circles. Anyone have any idea on how to open this stick without breaking the clips and causing the case to become mangled with knife marks? Any other tools I can use? I thought a box cutter would be the smallest knife I could use but I also have a butter like knife that has a thin blade. Hmm, I'll need another practice dummy but advice would be appreciated!
(After all these sticks cost roughly 8 to 9 dollars a pop. Pretty expensive for practicing. I wish I knew where I could buy these in bulk without spending an arm and a leg.
I use a chisel and a hammer. One decent hit from the front separates most of the glue. Then I lift the clips and open.
That sounds a bit perilous o_O;
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 20, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 20, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: snucked on February 20, 2014, 01:20:16 AMQuote from: TheDrifter363 on February 19, 2014, 07:17:52 PM
Anyone know how to open these sticks? I attempted to open one that I didn't care too much about for practice but damn is it hard! I even bought a box cutter/utility knife for the occasion and it was still hard. The knife would barely fit and there's knife marks all across the case. Eventually I got it open but not before the clips broke and the case looked like a mangled mess. There seems to be 2 clips or something near the circles where the screws would go in. They're inside the case. But these can be damaged if you're sticking a knife in the seams near the circles. Anyone have any idea on how to open this stick without breaking the clips and causing the case to become mangled with knife marks? Any other tools I can use? I thought a box cutter would be the smallest knife I could use but I also have a butter like knife that has a thin blade. Hmm, I'll need another practice dummy but advice would be appreciated!
(After all these sticks cost roughly 8 to 9 dollars a pop. Pretty expensive for practicing. I wish I knew where I could buy these in bulk without spending an arm and a leg.
I use a chisel and a hammer. One decent hit from the front separates most of the glue. Then I lift the clips and open.
Ouch! Sounds risky. I'm thinking of super gluing the old one since I don't want the 9 dollars to go to waste. It won't look pretty, hell the tabs will be broken but it'll get the job done. I'm still eager on any other ideas on how to open that joystick.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: GSM on February 20, 2014, 08:33:27 PM
Post by: GSM on February 20, 2014, 08:33:27 PM
I just used a stanlyknife and just kept prying it open around the seams.. eventually I could crack it open. Just be carefull not to stab yourself :P
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on February 21, 2014, 12:21:40 AM
Post by: micro on February 21, 2014, 12:21:40 AM
Maybe this video of the very first version of the PCB helps you:
http://youtu.be/gD9FbgNcnFc?t=3m59s (http://youtu.be/gD9FbgNcnFc?t=3m59s)
1st rule: don't cut yourself
2nd rule: keep calm! 8)
http://youtu.be/gD9FbgNcnFc?t=3m59s (http://youtu.be/gD9FbgNcnFc?t=3m59s)
1st rule: don't cut yourself
2nd rule: keep calm! 8)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: BonaC on February 21, 2014, 01:50:45 AM
Post by: BonaC on February 21, 2014, 01:50:45 AM
I received my PCBs today, it took three days in shipping.
My Ebay GC style shell had it glued all the way around. I got it open though, it took about 30 minutes to open the shell. After that it was a breeze to solder up and install.
My N64 controller skills are a bit rusty - I wasn't able to finish the Dam map in 007: Goldeneye. But man, it is precise and smooth. I noticed no problems with it - I even managed to calibrate it right on the first try.
I have to fix the other one and take a 1 on 1 with a friend!
My Ebay GC style shell had it glued all the way around. I got it open though, it took about 30 minutes to open the shell. After that it was a breeze to solder up and install.
My N64 controller skills are a bit rusty - I wasn't able to finish the Dam map in 007: Goldeneye. But man, it is precise and smooth. I noticed no problems with it - I even managed to calibrate it right on the first try.
I have to fix the other one and take a 1 on 1 with a friend!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 23, 2014, 09:09:26 AM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 23, 2014, 09:09:26 AM
I have a question. What do you guys use to hold the PCB in place? Do you use a helping hand or the panavisr junior/201? I was thinking about the panavisr junior since soldering the bare PCB is hard. I've been practicing on the default GameCube PCB and it keeps on moving when I try to solder. Not only that but there's not a lot of room to soldrt.
By the way I wanted to point out that I'm an extreme beginner at soldering. You learn with failure though.
By the way I wanted to point out that I'm an extreme beginner at soldering. You learn with failure though.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: BonaC on February 23, 2014, 09:27:15 AM
Post by: BonaC on February 23, 2014, 09:27:15 AM
I had a pair of helping hands and I also bent the thicker pins outwards a bit so it would stay flush against the PCB. For the wires I stripped off 2-4mm of the wire's coat and put them into the hole and let the connector end pull down on the wire so it would stay in the hole while I was soldering it.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 23, 2014, 01:01:06 PM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 23, 2014, 01:01:06 PM
How did you strip the wire? My stripper goes to 24 awg and that's not small enough. Do you know the gauge of the wire?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: jpetruccirulz on February 24, 2014, 12:37:15 AM
Post by: jpetruccirulz on February 24, 2014, 12:37:15 AM
HI everyone. My boards made it to me a few days ago, all the way to the US. A few minutes of work (Mostly opening the sticks) and they were installed and functioning flawlessly. My suggestion for opening the sticks without completely destroying the housing is to use a very small screwdriver and a small hammer. Tap around the housing at the seam just enough until the glue breaks. Then peal the glued tabs from the back gently enough to break the glue but not the tab. Thanks Micro for everything. Now my N64 will function perfectly for a very very long time.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: BonaC on February 24, 2014, 12:46:58 AM
Post by: BonaC on February 24, 2014, 12:46:58 AM
Quote from: TheDrifter363 on February 23, 2014, 01:01:06 PM
How did you strip the wire? My stripper goes to 24 awg and that's not small enough. Do you know the gauge of the wire?
I used a pair of semi-sharp side cutters and carefully peeled back about 2-4mm of the wire's insulation.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 24, 2014, 08:24:02 AM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 24, 2014, 08:24:02 AM
Getting the two cover halves seperated was the hardest work. An sharp hobby/X-acto knife helps a lot, along with very thin blade screw drivers.
Soldering wasn't that hard, just keep an eye on not accidentally creating shortcuts were there aren't supposed to be any. Check every pin twice with your multimeter's beeper function for them.
The new stick is gorgeous. It has the right amount of resistance that you would expect from a brandnew genuine Nintendo 64 control stick. Playing GoldenEye and Super Mario 64 went with excellent accuracy, perfect deadzone and instant response to inputs - thanks to micro's PCB and potentiometers.
Great! Many thanks to micro!
Soldering wasn't that hard, just keep an eye on not accidentally creating shortcuts were there aren't supposed to be any. Check every pin twice with your multimeter's beeper function for them.
The new stick is gorgeous. It has the right amount of resistance that you would expect from a brandnew genuine Nintendo 64 control stick. Playing GoldenEye and Super Mario 64 went with excellent accuracy, perfect deadzone and instant response to inputs - thanks to micro's PCB and potentiometers.
Great! Many thanks to micro!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Nukkus on February 24, 2014, 11:42:06 AM
Post by: Nukkus on February 24, 2014, 11:42:06 AM
Ok, I know that I was doing some gushing over this kit in my last post, but I've now had the chance to try my friend's Hori mini pad and compare it to the stick built with this kit... This kit destroys the Hori. It has a smoother feel for the stepping IMO, and not to mention it's installed in a full size pad with no cramping. I'm going to save up and order another three kits, and put together an arsenal for Goldeneye tourneys.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: colon247 on February 24, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
Post by: colon247 on February 24, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
Wow....just installed both of the ones I got. They are awesome!!!!
A first one would not work....then I found out that I had not soldered one of the wires.... :-[
Anyway I droped my iron onto my lap myself putting these on.. >:( .so in a way I can say I bled for this.... LOL
Thanks Micro your #1 !!!
A first one would not work....then I found out that I had not soldered one of the wires.... :-[
Anyway I droped my iron onto my lap myself putting these on.. >:( .so in a way I can say I bled for this.... LOL
Thanks Micro your #1 !!!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Nukkus on February 24, 2014, 10:13:24 PM
Post by: Nukkus on February 24, 2014, 10:13:24 PM
Quote from: colon247 on February 24, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
Anyway I droped my iron onto my lap myself putting these on..
Ouch x_X;
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 25, 2014, 06:24:12 AM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 25, 2014, 06:24:12 AM
Has anyone from the US received theirs already? I live in Virginia and I still haven't received mine. I'll make sure to check the mail today just in case.
I've also decided to use leaded solder since I can't work with lead free solder. I'm practicing on the pcb that comes with the gc stick and the holes are pretty tiny. I'm using a radio shack 25 watt iron so hopefully it'll be enough. All I need is some stabilizing force, which I bought a panavise, so we'll see how it goes. Anyone ever use the radio shack desoldering iron, the one with the bulb?
I've also decided to use leaded solder since I can't work with lead free solder. I'm practicing on the pcb that comes with the gc stick and the holes are pretty tiny. I'm using a radio shack 25 watt iron so hopefully it'll be enough. All I need is some stabilizing force, which I bought a panavise, so we'll see how it goes. Anyone ever use the radio shack desoldering iron, the one with the bulb?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: jpetruccirulz on February 25, 2014, 08:02:31 AM
Post by: jpetruccirulz on February 25, 2014, 08:02:31 AM
I live in PA and received mine. Hopefully yours will arrive soon. I have a cheap radioshack soldering iron and it worked out flawlessly. If you can get a fine tip instead of a chisel one, that would be beneficial. I used the corner of a small chisel tip against the work and it heated the joints fine. I've also been soldering for quite a few years so I have some experience. Watch the video posted earlier on this forum for some good info or a quick refresher if your rusty.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 25, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 25, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
Thanks! I've checked out that soldering video by curiousinventor many times. Lol. My pcbs also arrived today so that's good. Now I'm just waiting for the panavise so I can have some stability while I solder. I'm going to practice first though, just to get the hang of things. I've been soldering on and off since 2012. To think it started with removing a battery in my metroid zero mission for the gba.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: jpetruccirulz on February 25, 2014, 02:09:39 PM
Post by: jpetruccirulz on February 25, 2014, 02:09:39 PM
One last suggestion I can offer is that I used a small set of vice grips to hold the pot "lever" gently, if you will, and let the board sit on top. if you get anxious like I did, that will work well. Definitely make sure to solder one pin first and check to make sure it is flat. from there it should fly by! Funny you mention the battery thing, I was thinking about checking all of my batteries and replacing the ones that were shot. Lol.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 25, 2014, 03:33:34 PM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 25, 2014, 03:33:34 PM
Thanks for the tip! So far for the batteries I've used the electric tape trick as I'm not too confident on my soldering ability to replace the batteries especially when there's so many components next to them. This is especially true on the gba games. So I just used a flat blade screwdriver and carefully pried the tabs from the battery. I then slipped a new battery in between the tabs and electric taped everything. It works well and the pressure from the game case should keep it stable. It's not ideal however. Ideally I would love to use a battery holder but I have no idea which type to use. I don't have to shave them down or anything like that. Maybe I'll find something someday. I also have a retrode that I can use to backup most of my games. A DS flash cart will backup the gba games so I should be covered.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 25, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 25, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
Pro-tip 1: The long cable supplied with replacement joystick can get in the way of the Z button movement range. Cut the cable as short as possible, using the original control stick cable as a reference.
Pro-tip 2: While you're at it, clean the controller from all the sweaty dirt that got into the gaps over the years.
Pro-tip 2: While you're at it, clean the controller from all the sweaty dirt that got into the gaps over the years.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 26, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 26, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
So the soldering didn't go so well. I attempted to solder the potentiometer but it's not flush with the pcb. So then I attempted to desolder the potentiometer but it wouldn't come out. Now I just called it quits. Maybe I don't have the high quality tools needed to get it done, I know my soldering experience is zilch. I'm attempting to find someone to do the soldering for me, if not maybe I'll try again. I still want to know why that potentiometer is not coming out. How rather unfortunate. Great packaging though micro.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: PLT on February 26, 2014, 06:44:06 PM
Post by: PLT on February 26, 2014, 06:44:06 PM
Got mine too!!! Installed on two controllers and i have to say, it's something awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to agree with Nukkus, this kit tops the hori hands down, amazing job micro! And thanx again a lot!
I have to agree with Nukkus, this kit tops the hori hands down, amazing job micro! And thanx again a lot!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 26, 2014, 08:58:25 PM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on February 26, 2014, 08:58:25 PM
I think I figured out the issue. The potentiometer has 4 ground pins and 6 pins for each of the axes: x and y. The ground pins must be what I'm having trouble with. My 25 watt iron is having a hard time desoldering them. Wick is not helping, neither is that radioshack desoldering iron. I guess this is where a temperature controlled station would help. I want to desolder this so I can re seat the potentiometer and make it straight again. Anyone have any suggestions? If I can't desolder that potentiometer, then I"ll have to put this on hold until I figure something out.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 26, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 26, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Try a desoldering pump, even the cheap ones will do a decent job.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: nathan118 on March 01, 2014, 01:11:35 AM
Post by: nathan118 on March 01, 2014, 01:11:35 AM
Couple tips to people having trouble. I start each one by holding the potentiometer/stick in a pair of helping hands, UPSIDE down, and then setting the fresh new pcb on top of that. I just grab the little metal controller stick with the helping hands, get it level, and then slide the pcb onto it. Make sure it's all level first, and then start soldering (and even though it's facing up, this is technically the bottom).
For the wiring...I had great luck reusing the original wires. As you all know, the plastic connector on the replacement sticks doesn't fit 100% perfect. What I would do is just desolder the wires from the original n64 pcb, then peel/break off the clear plastic that holds all 6 wires together. Now I have 6 pre-stripped and pre-tinned wires! For this, I'd hold the pcb in the helping hands (again, upside down), then go wire by wire from underneath (so technically from the top, and up through the holes so I'm soldering on the bottom).
For the wiring...I had great luck reusing the original wires. As you all know, the plastic connector on the replacement sticks doesn't fit 100% perfect. What I would do is just desolder the wires from the original n64 pcb, then peel/break off the clear plastic that holds all 6 wires together. Now I have 6 pre-stripped and pre-tinned wires! For this, I'd hold the pcb in the helping hands (again, upside down), then go wire by wire from underneath (so technically from the top, and up through the holes so I'm soldering on the bottom).
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: cumberworld on March 01, 2014, 10:35:01 AM
Post by: cumberworld on March 01, 2014, 10:35:01 AM
I got my GC style replacement joystick in the mail this week, and it has a problem. The connector on the cable appears to be a little too big to fit, so I am unable to plug it in. I tried for like 20 minutes, yet was unable to fit it on there. Any tips? Should I just contact the seller on eBay and ask him for a new one?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on March 01, 2014, 10:41:46 AM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on March 01, 2014, 10:41:46 AM
Great tips for soldering. I got a panavise junior instead of helping hands since it seemed like it would be more stable. I originally probably didn't have the potentiometer level when I first soldered. I'm taking a break though, I'll come back to it probably in the summer as it'll be warmer to solder in the garage. Also it'll allow me time to get a temperature controlled station as I think the radio shack 25 watt didn't have enough power to desolder those ground pins. If anyone has had any experience desoldering the potentiometer then I'm all ears. Those ground pins are pretty stubborn. I will say the leaded solder works great, very smooth.
On another note, if micro ever looks or anyone else, where can I get replacement potentiometers with the right specifications? It's pretty hard to find potentiometers that meet the length width and height requirements. I found one that looked identical to the one you sent but the website was in dutch and they would only ship to the netherlands. Any advice?
Oh yeah on the connector being too big. You have to trim with a nail clipper or any other tool. Here's a youtube video. Be careful not to trim too deep cut off the wire.
Custom Mod the Connector for Your N64 GameCube Styled Joystick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNlVOHbXwkM#ws)
On another note, if micro ever looks or anyone else, where can I get replacement potentiometers with the right specifications? It's pretty hard to find potentiometers that meet the length width and height requirements. I found one that looked identical to the one you sent but the website was in dutch and they would only ship to the netherlands. Any advice?
Oh yeah on the connector being too big. You have to trim with a nail clipper or any other tool. Here's a youtube video. Be careful not to trim too deep cut off the wire.
Custom Mod the Connector for Your N64 GameCube Styled Joystick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNlVOHbXwkM#ws)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: cumberworld on March 01, 2014, 01:16:57 PM
Post by: cumberworld on March 01, 2014, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: TheDrifter363 on March 01, 2014, 10:41:46 AMOh yeah on the connector being too big. You have to trim with a nail clipper or any other tool. Here's a youtube video. Be careful not to trim too deep cut off the wire.
With the help of the video, I trimmed the plastic down with a box cutter, and managed to connect it. It works great! Hopefully it should work even better when I get the new PCB. Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: MockyLock on March 01, 2014, 04:40:35 PM
Post by: MockyLock on March 01, 2014, 04:40:35 PM
Hello !
I bought some of your kits long time ago, didn't take time to install it since today :)
I was searching some stick on eBay to do the swap, but there are different kinds.
Could you please give me a link to the good one so i can order some, and test this wonderful mod :D
Thank you very much
I bought some of your kits long time ago, didn't take time to install it since today :)
I was searching some stick on eBay to do the swap, but there are different kinds.
Could you please give me a link to the good one so i can order some, and test this wonderful mod :D
Thank you very much
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on March 01, 2014, 08:49:22 PM
Post by: micro on March 01, 2014, 08:49:22 PM
Yes, it seems like some sticks got a connector that doesn't fit very well... You can trim down the connector or just use the original Nintendo cable as nathan118 suggested
@MockyLock: These should be the right ones: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5023.msg34861#msg34861 (http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5023.msg34861#msg34861)
@Drifter: The four big pins are not ground pins. Here's a pic of all the ground pins: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5023.msg34760#msg34760 (http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5023.msg34760#msg34760)
With a little bit of experience it should be a breeze to desolder the stick, either with desoldering braid or a desoldering pump. But as you don't have enough experience that can be a difficult job for you.
It's also possible to carefully un-clip the two orange potentiometers from the stick. Then the stick and the two potentiometers can be desoldered individually. An easy way to desolder the a potentiometer is to heat up all three pins at once. The potentiometer should fall out off the PCB automatically. Remaining solder in the holes can then be removed with desoldering braid or a desoldering pump.
Maybe it would be best to wait if you got more experience with desoldering. Or give the PCB a buddy who's more experienced :D
The joystick is made by the chinese manufacturer Polyshine. This is the only source I know: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/425609/3D-Joystick-L-x-B-x-H-167-x-167-x-182-mm-ohne-Schalter-10-k--20-?ref=searchDetail (http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/425609/3D-Joystick-L-x-B-x-H-167-x-167-x-182-mm-ohne-Schalter-10-k--20-?ref=searchDetail) (wrong stock photo with switch, but the description says it's the stick without the switch)
@MockyLock: These should be the right ones: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5023.msg34861#msg34861 (http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5023.msg34861#msg34861)
@Drifter: The four big pins are not ground pins. Here's a pic of all the ground pins: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5023.msg34760#msg34760 (http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5023.msg34760#msg34760)
With a little bit of experience it should be a breeze to desolder the stick, either with desoldering braid or a desoldering pump. But as you don't have enough experience that can be a difficult job for you.
It's also possible to carefully un-clip the two orange potentiometers from the stick. Then the stick and the two potentiometers can be desoldered individually. An easy way to desolder the a potentiometer is to heat up all three pins at once. The potentiometer should fall out off the PCB automatically. Remaining solder in the holes can then be removed with desoldering braid or a desoldering pump.
Maybe it would be best to wait if you got more experience with desoldering. Or give the PCB a buddy who's more experienced :D
The joystick is made by the chinese manufacturer Polyshine. This is the only source I know: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/425609/3D-Joystick-L-x-B-x-H-167-x-167-x-182-mm-ohne-Schalter-10-k--20-?ref=searchDetail (http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/425609/3D-Joystick-L-x-B-x-H-167-x-167-x-182-mm-ohne-Schalter-10-k--20-?ref=searchDetail) (wrong stock photo with switch, but the description says it's the stick without the switch)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on March 02, 2014, 12:30:41 AM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on March 02, 2014, 12:30:41 AM
Quote from: TheDrifter363 on February 26, 2014, 08:58:25 PM25W could be a bit on the weak side, indeed. 40W and above will help you with large connections.
My 25 watt iron is having a hard time desoldering them. Wick is not helping, neither is that radioshack desoldering iron. I guess this is where a temperature controlled station would help.
For your information, I'm using a Weller WHS40 (40W) temperature controlled station. However, you don't need temperature control if you're using regular solder with lead content (e.g. Sn40Pb60), as I do. From my understanding, temperature control is necessary when using lead-free solder which needs higher temperatures for melting.
Another big deal is finding the right solder tip for your job. Pencil tips may give you a quite hard time unless you want to solder small things. You'll benefit from using chisel tips for medium sized connections and wide flat blade tips for large connections.
But give the desoldering pump a try. :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Yurkie on March 02, 2014, 01:45:04 AM
Post by: Yurkie on March 02, 2014, 01:45:04 AM
Micro could you please post the N64 controller test rom?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on March 02, 2014, 02:50:14 AM
Post by: micro on March 02, 2014, 02:50:14 AM
The N64 controller test rom is not written by me but by sanni. Check out this post: http://s9.zetaboards.com/Nintendo_64_Forever/single/?p=8115178&t=7360571 (http://s9.zetaboards.com/Nintendo_64_Forever/single/?p=8115178&t=7360571)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: TheDrifter363 on March 02, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
Post by: TheDrifter363 on March 02, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
So apparently those 4 pins I was talking about, they're not connected to ground as micro said but they're connected to the metal body of the potentiometer. I guess that's what I was trying to get across. Since the heat is distributed all across the metal body, that's why it was hard for that 25 watt radio shack iron to desolder those points. So I'll come back to this when I get a nice chisel tip with a temperature controlled station.
By the way, micro I found some potentiometers on mouser that would be equivalent; however, the dimensions of length and width are slightly larger. The ones you supplied are 16.5 mm length and width, but these are 21 and 20 mm for those dimensions. Would they still fit on your pcb? I know your pcb has two different sets of holes for potentiometers but I don't know if the latter dimensions that I mentioned are too big for your pcb.
By the way, micro I found some potentiometers on mouser that would be equivalent; however, the dimensions of length and width are slightly larger. The ones you supplied are 16.5 mm length and width, but these are 21 and 20 mm for those dimensions. Would they still fit on your pcb? I know your pcb has two different sets of holes for potentiometers but I don't know if the latter dimensions that I mentioned are too big for your pcb.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: AlmostOriginal on March 04, 2014, 04:33:18 AM
Post by: AlmostOriginal on March 04, 2014, 04:33:18 AM
I got mine today! Money well spent! German quality.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Edhel on March 06, 2014, 10:06:12 PM
Post by: Edhel on March 06, 2014, 10:06:12 PM
Having issues with the two I got. Calibrated fine and they work perfectly when I do that. However if I have my n64 powered off for a number of hours, the sticks stop working and I need to calibrate again.
Jumper is not inserted, so it can't be resetting to calibration mode and there's no bridging between those two pins. Any idea what else could be causing the pcb to -forget- it's calibration after being powered off for awhile?
Jumper is not inserted, so it can't be resetting to calibration mode and there's no bridging between those two pins. Any idea what else could be causing the pcb to -forget- it's calibration after being powered off for awhile?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on March 06, 2014, 11:14:56 PM
Post by: micro on March 06, 2014, 11:14:56 PM
I really don't have an idea what might cause this strange behaviour. Can you post some (good & sharp) pics?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Edhel on March 06, 2014, 11:57:11 PM
Post by: Edhel on March 06, 2014, 11:57:11 PM
Here we go. It's the best I can do at the moment with the current camera I have. Not the best soldering, especially as I tried to go over it several times to try and figure out what the issue was. Strange thing is I can leave it powered off for awhile and it still works, but if I come back to my n64 pad later I need to calibrate it again fully.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24863711/n64_solder/IMG_20140306_134947.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24863711/n64_solder/IMG_20140306_134947.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24863711/n64_solder/IMG_20140306_135024.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24863711/n64_solder/IMG_20140306_135024.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24863711/n64_solder/IMG_20140306_134947.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24863711/n64_solder/IMG_20140306_134947.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24863711/n64_solder/IMG_20140306_135024.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24863711/n64_solder/IMG_20140306_135024.jpg)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on March 07, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
Post by: micro on March 07, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
Very strange indeed... Does the problem occur with both PCB's you got?
I suggest you clean up your PCB with q-tips and isopropyl alcohol, then take again some sharper pics.
I suggest you clean up your PCB with q-tips and isopropyl alcohol, then take again some sharper pics.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Edhel on March 07, 2014, 12:25:45 AM
Post by: Edhel on March 07, 2014, 12:25:45 AM
Yes, it happens with both pcbs I have. Unfortunately I don't have access to a camera that gives sharper images at the moment. I'm still puzzled what could be causing it. If a solder bridge somewhere could be and where likely that'd be on the board, though the analog works perfectly when I do have it calibrated, or if the pcb is faulty. I seem to be the only one having this issue, so the later seems unlikely I think.
I'll try and clean it up further later and see if that fixes anything. Any more suggestions would be appreciated. Spent far longer than I should on this. :(
I'll try and clean it up further later and see if that fixes anything. Any more suggestions would be appreciated. Spent far longer than I should on this. :(
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: micro on March 07, 2014, 12:57:25 AM
Post by: micro on March 07, 2014, 12:57:25 AM
I don't think the PCB's are faulty. Also if they did work at some point, that means they're flashed with the right code. I've flashed all the PCB's with the same code in one big session. The values calculated during the calibration are stored into the EEPROM which remains its data even if you cut the power. You successfully execute the calibration once and that's it.
I guess your problems could be caused by bad solder joints. But to be really sure I need to see good pictures of your PCB's, not blurry ones...
I guess your problems could be caused by bad solder joints. But to be really sure I need to see good pictures of your PCB's, not blurry ones...
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: abduct on March 07, 2014, 04:52:08 AM
Post by: abduct on March 07, 2014, 04:52:08 AM
Quote from: Edhel on March 07, 2014, 12:25:45 AM
Yes, it happens with both pcbs I have. Unfortunately I don't have access to a camera that gives sharper images at the moment.
Attempt to take the picture at a 45 degree angle rather then at 90 degrees. Also if you are zooming in via the camera, zoom all the way out and move your camera closer. Also avoid flash and try to take the photos in more natural lighting.
And if you are using a better quality camera, turn your ISO down and open up your aperture (lower f/stop number).
Normally just taking the photo at 45 degrees and holding it closer makes the world of difference, even if the photo is a bit blurry when you take it, since you are physically closer you can reduce the image resolution in an image editor and make it a bit sharper.
As for your problem if you haven't already I'd check your points with a continuity tester.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: AlmostOriginal on March 07, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Post by: AlmostOriginal on March 07, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: Edhel on March 06, 2014, 10:06:12 PM
Having issues with the two I got. Calibrated fine and they work perfectly when I do that. However if I have my n64 powered off for a number of hours, the sticks stop working and I need to calibrate again.
Jumper is not inserted, so it can't be resetting to calibration mode and there's no bridging between those two pins. Any idea what else could be causing the pcb to -forget- it's calibration after being powered off for awhile?
I got scared when i read this! So i tested mine again! I works flawless! *phu* If i where you i would suck up solder and resolder the point near INV.Y. It looks really dull.
I hope you get this going soon.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Edhel on March 08, 2014, 01:46:21 AM
Post by: Edhel on March 08, 2014, 01:46:21 AM
Thanks for the suggestions. Redid all joints again on both boards and so far so good. Just hoping the calibration settings continue to stick. Still find it odd it was doing it for both. Thanks to Micro for the boards. :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: AlmostOriginal on March 08, 2014, 04:57:43 AM
Post by: AlmostOriginal on March 08, 2014, 04:57:43 AM
I also thought that was wierd. :o
Bad components aren't that common usually they work or dont't. I was thinking of ESD damage, but that usually kills it completely.
Bad components aren't that common usually they work or dont't. I was thinking of ESD damage, but that usually kills it completely.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: flamingleg on March 14, 2014, 08:08:46 PM
Post by: flamingleg on March 14, 2014, 08:08:46 PM
Hey just wanted to say that I installed the pcbs I ordered and they both work perfectly! There is a noticeable difference between this pcb and the standard one you get with replacement sticks. I was very impressed with the build quality, the layout of the pcb as well as the ability to calibrate the stick once it's all put together.
thanks again!
thanks again!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Sjb266 on March 15, 2014, 11:56:21 PM
Post by: Sjb266 on March 15, 2014, 11:56:21 PM
All 4 of mine done and working perfectly...
Much prefer these to the original analog sticks... Even the brand new original controller I have!!
Thanks again micro.. Total professional from start to finish!
Much prefer these to the original analog sticks... Even the brand new original controller I have!!
Thanks again micro.. Total professional from start to finish!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: rengg on March 18, 2014, 12:02:12 PM
Post by: rengg on March 18, 2014, 12:02:12 PM
Never soldered before, maybe someone can answer some general questions i have:
what type of tip should i use?
what temp/watt should the solder iron be?
is 0.32 60/40 rosin core solder what i need?
are the fumes from the flux anything to worry about?
still another week+- before the pcbs get to me but i want to prepare before hand :P
what type of tip should i use?
what temp/watt should the solder iron be?
is 0.32 60/40 rosin core solder what i need?
are the fumes from the flux anything to worry about?
still another week+- before the pcbs get to me but i want to prepare before hand :P
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Grambo on March 18, 2014, 01:24:16 PM
Post by: Grambo on March 18, 2014, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: rengg on March 18, 2014, 12:02:12 PMFor the purposes of this project, anything with a relatively fine tip will do.
what type of tip should i use?
Quote from: rengg on March 18, 2014, 12:02:12 PMI like to work at around 550F for work like this. I find it to be a nice balance between transferring heat effectively and not burning up all the flux. The wattage isn't as important as a good quality soldering iron with an adjustable temperature, imo. I've never come across an iron too shitty/cold to make proper joints (for small electrical jobs such as this), but there are LOTS that are too hot and burn up everything in sight.
what temp/watt should the solder iron be?
Quote from: rengg on March 18, 2014, 12:02:12 PMYup.
is 0.32 60/40 rosin core solder what i need?
Quote from: rengg on March 18, 2014, 12:02:12 PMNot really. If you were doing 8 hours a day, 5 days a week or sticking your face in the fumes and intentionally inhaling, it would be cause for an extractor. Just be mindful of not breathing the fumes too heavily and you'll be ok.
are the fumes from the flux anything to worry about?
It is of my opinion that oxidization is the #1 most important and misunderstood factor of soldering. Transferring heat to the components properly is #2. Once you understand how they work, you'll understand how to solder well in no time.
Here's a fantastic video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4)
Watch it a couple times. It has a lot of incredibly important facts and visuals delivered at an incredibly quick rate.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: rengg on March 21, 2014, 04:58:54 AM
Post by: rengg on March 21, 2014, 04:58:54 AM
Got 'em in the mail today (Canada), took about a week :)
@Grambo thanks for the info!
edit: Did 1 PCB today...oh man those vids make soldering look easy. Opening up the GC case was very hard, broke one tab but eventually managed to get a clean break with minor scratches on the casing (the glue was thicker than I thought, had to cut deep). Then when I was soldering I ended up with two questionable connections that I couldn't de-solder with braid (oddly all of my solders were shiny though), and the board wasn't completely flat with the potentiometer and I wasn't about to re-solder it again. Luckily calibration worked fine and I compared it to my original controller and they are identical in execution. I should be able to do my second PCB perfectly now that I know what to expect ::)
Side note, I had one of those $10 hong king controllers laying around and I took out the A+B+C's button pad and put it into my original and now I don't have any weak button press issues. The quality of the pads in those controllers are the only good thing about them.
@Grambo thanks for the info!
edit: Did 1 PCB today...oh man those vids make soldering look easy. Opening up the GC case was very hard, broke one tab but eventually managed to get a clean break with minor scratches on the casing (the glue was thicker than I thought, had to cut deep). Then when I was soldering I ended up with two questionable connections that I couldn't de-solder with braid (oddly all of my solders were shiny though), and the board wasn't completely flat with the potentiometer and I wasn't about to re-solder it again. Luckily calibration worked fine and I compared it to my original controller and they are identical in execution. I should be able to do my second PCB perfectly now that I know what to expect ::)
Side note, I had one of those $10 hong king controllers laying around and I took out the A+B+C's button pad and put it into my original and now I don't have any weak button press issues. The quality of the pads in those controllers are the only good thing about them.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2 - available!
Post by: Shadow_Zero on April 01, 2014, 01:16:26 AM
Post by: Shadow_Zero on April 01, 2014, 01:16:26 AM
Quote from: rengg on March 21, 2014, 04:58:54 AMNice one! XD
Side note, I had one of those $10 hong king controllers laying around and I took out the A+B+C's button pad and put it into my original and now I don't have any weak button press issues. The quality of the pads in those controllers are the only good thing about them.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: cumberworld on April 02, 2014, 04:50:32 AM
Post by: cumberworld on April 02, 2014, 04:50:32 AM
I'm pretty annoyed with myself right now. I cut the wires down to 5 cm. When I was stripping them, I fucked up a couple of times and had to cut them a little more. When I had soldered them and put everything back together, I discovered that they were too short to reach plug on the controller. I'm sitting here now with a useless thumbstick because I'm missing half a centimeter of wire. It seems to me like my options are to (a) order a new thumbstick, or (b) cut off the wire from my original thumbstick and use that (which I really don't want to do). Anyone got any other suggestions? Also, I'd suggest changing the guide to 6 cm so there's a little slack for dumbasses like me.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on April 02, 2014, 05:23:05 AM
Post by: micro on April 02, 2014, 05:23:05 AM
Don't worry! You can simply extend the wires:
How To Solder - Intro/Joining Stranded Wires - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9G9gaokqvM#ws)
Of course this might also be difficult for you if you've never done it before...
How To Solder - Intro/Joining Stranded Wires - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9G9gaokqvM#ws)
Of course this might also be difficult for you if you've never done it before...
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Sjb266 on April 02, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
Post by: Sjb266 on April 02, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
Cut the wires off the original n64 stick.. I did... You'll never use it again anyway..
Besides that the wire is slightly thicker and the plug will fit perfectly back into the controller PCB..
Besides that the wire is slightly thicker and the plug will fit perfectly back into the controller PCB..
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on April 02, 2014, 07:20:27 PM
Post by: micro on April 02, 2014, 07:20:27 PM
If he decides to use the original stick's cable I suggest he should desolder the cable instead of cutting it off. IIRC the original cable is quite short. It would be a bad surprise if he cuts off the cable and ends up with the same problem. ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: cumberworld on April 03, 2014, 02:38:23 AM
Post by: cumberworld on April 03, 2014, 02:38:23 AM
Quote from: micro on April 02, 2014, 05:23:05 AMI'd need heat shrink tubing to do that, which I don't have.
Don't worry! You can simply extend the wires:
Quote from: Sjb266 on April 02, 2014, 06:24:08 PMI'll probably do this, although the only controller I have with me at the moment is the only one I have that's still semi-usable. I'll wait a week until I can get my hands on one of the absolutely ruined controllers I have.
Cut the wires off the original n64 stick.. I did... You'll never use it again anyway..
By the way, I felt like I did I pretty poor job on the soldering. I've attached an image. Is it good enough? Any tips on what I could do better?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on April 03, 2014, 03:44:27 AM
Post by: micro on April 03, 2014, 03:44:27 AM
Yeah, that really looks bad... If you look at the previous pages you'll find a video showing how to solder properly. But you clearly lack practice. The first solder job always looks like shit...
Heatshrink tube is extremely common and cheap to get!
Heatshrink tube is extremely common and cheap to get!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: cumberworld on April 03, 2014, 07:06:49 AM
Post by: cumberworld on April 03, 2014, 07:06:49 AM
Quote from: micro on April 03, 2014, 03:44:27 AMIt's that bad, huh? I watched the video a few times before I did it. When I was soldering, my biggest issue is that the solder would cling to the soldering iron, and not to the PCB. I got a little better as I progressed, but that was still my biggest issue. I've soldered a few times before, although only wire-to-wire.
Yeah, that really looks bad... If you look at the previous pages you'll find a video showing how to solder properly. But you clearly lack practice. The first solder job always looks like shit...
So what can I do? Remove the solder with the soldering iron and try again? Or did I do it so poorly that I ruined the PCB?
Quote from: micro on April 03, 2014, 03:44:27 AMI'd rather just use the wires from one of my N64 controllers than have to solder the wires together again.
Heatshrink tube is extremely common and cheap to get!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on April 04, 2014, 05:05:06 AM
Post by: micro on April 04, 2014, 05:05:06 AM
No, the PCB isn't ruined but the solder joints are so bad that I can't guarantee that the PCB will work. I'd remove all solder with desolder braid and try again. I'd also watch the video again if I were you ;) Also make sure you're using solder with lead and flux.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: cumberworld on April 06, 2014, 11:52:59 AM
Post by: cumberworld on April 06, 2014, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: micro on April 04, 2014, 05:05:06 AMOk, thanks for the help. I'll buy some desolder braid then. Two questions:
No, the PCB isn't ruined but the solder joints are so bad that I can't guarantee that the PCB will work. I'd remove all solder with desolder braid and try again. I'd also watch the video again if I were you ;) Also make sure you're using solder with lead and flux.
1. Is there any difference in quality for desolder braid? Can I just buy the cheap stuff from eBay, and that will work well enough?
2. Can I just keep soldering and desoldering the PCB until I get it right, or am I damaging the components by doing this?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: dav3yb on May 02, 2014, 07:47:57 AM
Post by: dav3yb on May 02, 2014, 07:47:57 AM
Are these still being made/available? I've been getting back into N64 a bit lately and, like a lot of people, i've got some controllers that are pretty well ground out. I'd like to replace some of them with the gamecube style stick, esp if those work better for some games that require a lot of movement.
I think i've seen a PM, but it's hard to tell, and it's not showing up in "sent message"
I think i've seen a PM, but it's hard to tell, and it's not showing up in "sent message"
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on May 02, 2014, 07:24:07 PM
Post by: micro on May 02, 2014, 07:24:07 PM
Please, see first post.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: dav3yb on May 03, 2014, 01:53:12 AM
Post by: dav3yb on May 03, 2014, 01:53:12 AM
Must've missed that bit (was reading it on my phone).
Well I'd love to pick up about 4 if there is another batch. I'll check back every so often!
Well I'd love to pick up about 4 if there is another batch. I'll check back every so often!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on May 07, 2014, 02:33:58 AM
Post by: MockyLock on May 07, 2014, 02:33:58 AM
Hello
I ordered some of your boards and mounted them.
Everything works well but i have a strange issue, and as no one mentionned it, i wonder what i could do wrong.
I'll try to explain with my poor english:
I tried my fresh new pads on GoldenEye. It's the kind of game where you need to be very precise. Everything started well but when i change for "aiming mode" (you know, by pressing R), the target don't move anymore when it's in the very tiny corners (up right, up left, down right, down left); With regular pad, in aiming mode, when you go in the corner (up righ for exemple), your "aiming window" move to this direction (up right) until it reaches the sky.
WIth the new sticks, the "aiming window" don't move, the target is in the corner but it don't move the window.
Can anyone try this and let me know about the results ?
Thank you
I ordered some of your boards and mounted them.
Everything works well but i have a strange issue, and as no one mentionned it, i wonder what i could do wrong.
I'll try to explain with my poor english:
I tried my fresh new pads on GoldenEye. It's the kind of game where you need to be very precise. Everything started well but when i change for "aiming mode" (you know, by pressing R), the target don't move anymore when it's in the very tiny corners (up right, up left, down right, down left); With regular pad, in aiming mode, when you go in the corner (up righ for exemple), your "aiming window" move to this direction (up right) until it reaches the sky.
WIth the new sticks, the "aiming window" don't move, the target is in the corner but it don't move the window.
Can anyone try this and let me know about the results ?
Thank you
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on May 07, 2014, 03:35:34 AM
Post by: micro on May 07, 2014, 03:35:34 AM
I don't own Goldeneye, but here's a little test you should try out:
Open your controller and temporarily remove the upper half of the replacement stick unit's case. Now that the octagonal gate isn't restricting the stick any longer, does your crosshair in aiming mode work like it does with a regular controller?
Open your controller and temporarily remove the upper half of the replacement stick unit's case. Now that the octagonal gate isn't restricting the stick any longer, does your crosshair in aiming mode work like it does with a regular controller?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on May 07, 2014, 03:41:16 PM
Post by: MockyLock on May 07, 2014, 03:41:16 PM
i'll give a try, hopefully today.
Anyway, i would like to add that I've calibrated the stick with the upper half in position (you could think i've done it without the octogonal form, and so now it's back in place,the stick can't reach the positions previously setted).
Thank you for keeping an eye !
Anyway, i would like to add that I've calibrated the stick with the upper half in position (you could think i've done it without the octogonal form, and so now it's back in place,the stick can't reach the positions previously setted).
Thank you for keeping an eye !
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on May 09, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
Post by: MockyLock on May 09, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
Well, i tried. Without the octogonal shape, i can reach the maximum of each axis, and so in GoldenEye, you can reach the point where the target make move the aiming window in the extrem end of the corner.
As i told you before, i've done the calibrating operation with the octogonal shape in place.
How does the calibration work ? If it detects the maximum of each axis, and then calculate the "corner position", maybe the shape doesn't allow the stick to reach this point ?
As i told you before, i've done the calibrating operation with the octogonal shape in place.
How does the calibration work ? If it detects the maximum of each axis, and then calculate the "corner position", maybe the shape doesn't allow the stick to reach this point ?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on May 09, 2014, 08:04:20 PM
Post by: micro on May 09, 2014, 08:04:20 PM
Yes, the shape of the octagonal gate is a little bit different from the original N64 stick one. And it doesn't let the stick reach its max values in the corners. You got 3 options to fix that:
1) calibrate the stick again:
The installation guide will tell you how to re-enable the calibration mode again. But instead of moving the stick in a circular motion as proposed in the manual, just move the stick from the center to the 4 corners:
center > top left corner > center > top right > center > bottom right > center > bottom left > center
This will make sure you'll reach the maximum even in the corners. But at the same time the stick will get more sensitive. And you will have a small dead margin when moving the stick up, down, left, right. For example if you move the stick only up, the stick will reach its maximum value some mm before it actually touches the restricting gate. This is inevitable.
You have to try out how much more sensitive the stick gets in the end. :D
2) cut out the corners
It's possible to enlarge the octagonal gate in the corners by using a file/dremel/sanding paper. I guess it would be hard to enlarge all four corners equally. And of course this is not reversible!
3) modify the source code
You can also modify the source code (see 1st post of this thread). You could try out different max values. You could also eliminate the dead margin from 1) and tweak the sensitivity.
To modify and compile the program you need Atmel AVR Studio 5 (or 6). To flash the microcontroller on the PCB with your modified program you need an AVR programmer.
I'd definitely try out option 1) :D
1) calibrate the stick again:
The installation guide will tell you how to re-enable the calibration mode again. But instead of moving the stick in a circular motion as proposed in the manual, just move the stick from the center to the 4 corners:
center > top left corner > center > top right > center > bottom right > center > bottom left > center
This will make sure you'll reach the maximum even in the corners. But at the same time the stick will get more sensitive. And you will have a small dead margin when moving the stick up, down, left, right. For example if you move the stick only up, the stick will reach its maximum value some mm before it actually touches the restricting gate. This is inevitable.
You have to try out how much more sensitive the stick gets in the end. :D
2) cut out the corners
It's possible to enlarge the octagonal gate in the corners by using a file/dremel/sanding paper. I guess it would be hard to enlarge all four corners equally. And of course this is not reversible!
3) modify the source code
You can also modify the source code (see 1st post of this thread). You could try out different max values. You could also eliminate the dead margin from 1) and tweak the sensitivity.
To modify and compile the program you need Atmel AVR Studio 5 (or 6). To flash the microcontroller on the PCB with your modified program you need an AVR programmer.
I'd definitely try out option 1) :D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on May 09, 2014, 09:19:16 PM
Post by: MockyLock on May 09, 2014, 09:19:16 PM
Thank you for your quick answer.
Well, the weird thing is that nobody mentionned this before.
I really would appreciate anyone else could try and tell me.
And about the solution, i think i'll try #1 first, then the second.
I definitly don't have the knowledge and gears for the 3rd option.
Something i thought about, i'll try to swap the octogonal shapes (genuine and 3rd part). I mean, i'll check if there is any difference, even very little, between the two ones, and use the smaller (if there is one smaller) for calibrating, and use the wider as stick holder cap.
Well, the weird thing is that nobody mentionned this before.
I really would appreciate anyone else could try and tell me.
And about the solution, i think i'll try #1 first, then the second.
I definitly don't have the knowledge and gears for the 3rd option.
Something i thought about, i'll try to swap the octogonal shapes (genuine and 3rd part). I mean, i'll check if there is any difference, even very little, between the two ones, and use the smaller (if there is one smaller) for calibrating, and use the wider as stick holder cap.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: theeternal00 on May 10, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
Post by: theeternal00 on May 10, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
Quote from: micro on May 02, 2014, 07:24:07 PM
Please, see first post.
Hello Micro,
I know these PCBs are not currently available, and that in another thread you may have said that you don't think there will be another batch, but I believe you have found the only lasting way of keeping the n64 controller alive and well without having sensitivity issues for some of my favorite games (especially super smash bros).
I would like to know the concerns you have for having more boards printed, and then I would like to try to help resolve those because it is much easier for me than learning how to design a circuit board and code a program to flash to the chip.
Some possible reasons for not printing more boards:
1. Lack of time (Are you still a student? Please tell me it is in the field of physics/electronics) Troubleshooting time, shipping time, testing time.
2. Lack of order quantity to get reasonable price on the boards. --I can see what I can do about organizing and confirming orders so there is no uncertainty. There are much better ways than reading forum posts saying, "I'll take 5".
3. Lack of upfront capital -- You seem like a very trustworthy and helpful person, I do not see a reason that I could not get you some upfront money to buy the boards.
4. Lack of interest in the project -- You probably have many projects going on, I know from your youtube channel. --If you are truly not interested in this, I would suggest transferring what you have done to someone who has more interest, and you should be compensated for this.
It is amazing work you've done, and I have a group of people here in the U.S. here that would like to make their controllers last, and I am determined to help them to stop using cheap third party original style replacements that get worn out or just don't work. Gamecube style replacements are the answer, and your fix for the sensitivity issue is the only way to make them work well enough to use for some of the best, and still most commonly played, n64 games.
Let me know if you are interested and we can talk more about the details of how I can help.
Thank you,
Steve
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Jaffa on May 10, 2014, 07:01:46 AM
Post by: Jaffa on May 10, 2014, 07:01:46 AM
Oh my god... So this PCB is not working with golden eye? Golden Eye and Perfect Dark are the games why I need this mod... Now I am sad... :( I hope there would be some solution..
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on May 10, 2014, 06:04:13 PM
Post by: MockyLock on May 10, 2014, 06:04:13 PM
Actually they work, no doubt about that. There is a slight issue in the very end of each corner. It needs to be more tested before giving any description/solution.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on May 12, 2014, 12:57:44 AM
Post by: micro on May 12, 2014, 12:57:44 AM
@MockyLock: I don't own Goldeneye anymore. But I've got Perfect Dark which shows the same behaviour with the aiming mode you've described.
Unfortunately it's a fact that the octagonal gate is different. You have to choose your top priority. If you want to have the same values in the four diagonal corners, then you have to recalibrate the stick while not touching the plastic gate all the way up/down/left and right.
I already told you one way to calibrate the stick. Another way would be to make the stick cap's shaft bigger. You could wrap some adhesive tape around the stick's plastic cap's shaft, for example 5 layers. After the calibration you can remove the tape again. May be 3 layers are enough, maybe you need 10. You really have to try. :)
Normally the stick get's calibrated in a way so it got about the same values as an original N64 analog stick when moving the stick all the way up/down/left or right. Calibrating the stick as described will make it (a little) more sensitive, it's a trade-off.
@theeternal00: When I'm sure I won't make another batch I'll release the PCB files. But I don't feel obliged to have these PCB's on stock for 365 days a year!
Also, I believe in 5 to 10 years everyone can use his old original N64 sticks again and just reproduce the expendable parts in a 3D printer...
Unfortunately it's a fact that the octagonal gate is different. You have to choose your top priority. If you want to have the same values in the four diagonal corners, then you have to recalibrate the stick while not touching the plastic gate all the way up/down/left and right.
I already told you one way to calibrate the stick. Another way would be to make the stick cap's shaft bigger. You could wrap some adhesive tape around the stick's plastic cap's shaft, for example 5 layers. After the calibration you can remove the tape again. May be 3 layers are enough, maybe you need 10. You really have to try. :)
Normally the stick get's calibrated in a way so it got about the same values as an original N64 analog stick when moving the stick all the way up/down/left or right. Calibrating the stick as described will make it (a little) more sensitive, it's a trade-off.
@theeternal00: When I'm sure I won't make another batch I'll release the PCB files. But I don't feel obliged to have these PCB's on stock for 365 days a year!
Also, I believe in 5 to 10 years everyone can use his old original N64 sticks again and just reproduce the expendable parts in a 3D printer...
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on May 12, 2014, 03:24:08 AM
Post by: MockyLock on May 12, 2014, 03:24:08 AM
I understood what you explained to me, no worry.
I was just telling that i need to test the different "fixing method" before choosing the best one.
Is there a way, by programming, that once the calibrating values are setted by moving the stick, the microcontroller adjust the values by reducing the max values.
Some kind of automatic trim ?
I was just telling that i need to test the different "fixing method" before choosing the best one.
Is there a way, by programming, that once the calibrating values are setted by moving the stick, the microcontroller adjust the values by reducing the max values.
Some kind of automatic trim ?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on May 12, 2014, 10:25:41 PM
Post by: micro on May 12, 2014, 10:25:41 PM
It was more of a general explanation, not exclusively directed at you. ;D
Yes, there's already a limit implented in the program. The minimum range of each axis is +/- 81; higher values than +/- 84 gets clipped to +/- 84.
Yes, there's already a limit implented in the program. The minimum range of each axis is +/- 81; higher values than +/- 84 gets clipped to +/- 84.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: toñogk on May 20, 2014, 09:55:01 AM
Post by: toñogk on May 20, 2014, 09:55:01 AM
Hello guys! Just a quick question, I was playing Jet Force Gemini and noticed that it was hard to aim using the GC Style joystick with the PCB.
Is this normal or fixable? I just can't remember how it was using the original stick.
Is this normal or fixable? I just can't remember how it was using the original stick.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on May 23, 2014, 05:58:39 AM
Post by: micro on May 23, 2014, 05:58:39 AM
Is it too sensitive?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MrDamienYoung on May 28, 2014, 09:08:09 PM
Post by: MrDamienYoung on May 28, 2014, 09:08:09 PM
I know that you said not to contact you asking for sticks, but I have checked in a few times and was wondering if you were going to be producing any batches?
I would absolutely love to buy four or five of these off you!
I would absolutely love to buy four or five of these off you!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Halgor on May 31, 2014, 09:37:41 AM
Post by: Halgor on May 31, 2014, 09:37:41 AM
I just want to indicate my interest to purchase 5 of the replacement PCBs. Seems like the best option for keeping my N64 collection functional, at least until we can get 3D printed parts to replicate the original sticks.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on June 10, 2014, 12:07:10 PM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on June 10, 2014, 12:07:10 PM
New member here. I just wanted to add that I would love to buy 4 PCBs if they would become available again... Pretty please with icing on top!!! ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Jaffa on June 11, 2014, 04:20:40 PM
Post by: Jaffa on June 11, 2014, 04:20:40 PM
Is there any update to get the Goldeneye and Perfect Dark to work properly?
Maybe it is not a hard to do? Just to fix the values in the code? I will definitely buy 4 PCB's when the Goldeneye is 100% working.
Maybe it is not a hard to do? Just to fix the values in the code? I will definitely buy 4 PCB's when the Goldeneye is 100% working.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: low2s2u on June 18, 2014, 11:05:21 AM
Post by: low2s2u on June 18, 2014, 11:05:21 AM
I'm interested in purchasing two. ;D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Robakski on June 24, 2014, 05:22:58 PM
Post by: Robakski on June 24, 2014, 05:22:58 PM
I'm interested in purchasing 4 of these.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: DNSDies on June 27, 2014, 04:48:44 AM
Post by: DNSDies on June 27, 2014, 04:48:44 AM
I'd either like to buy 2 of these, or get a copy of the files so I can get the PCB printed at OSH Park and program my own micro controller.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: public-pervert on June 28, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Post by: public-pervert on June 28, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Micro made the .hex files public. You can get it on the first page of this thread.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on June 29, 2014, 02:49:48 AM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on June 29, 2014, 02:49:48 AM
Quote from: public-pervert on June 28, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Micro made the .hex files public. You can get it on the first page of this thread.
HEX filé won't tell the PCB Guys how to make their boards :'(
I'm thinking about if it would be possible to reprogram the chip that comes with the replacement joystick. Anyone have a clue? There is no visible marks on the chip, so I really don't know which one it is...
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on June 30, 2014, 07:28:59 AM
Post by: micro on June 30, 2014, 07:28:59 AM
I'm confident that there will be a new batch. But I definitely want to address the issues MockyLock discovered with Goldeneye/Perfect Dark. Already got some ideas... But as always I don't have much time atm and the N64 stick converter PCB's are not top priority.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on June 30, 2014, 07:10:30 PM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on June 30, 2014, 07:10:30 PM
Quote from: micro on June 30, 2014, 07:28:59 AM
I'm confident that there will be a new batch. But I definitely want to address the issues MockyLock discovered with Goldeneye/Perfect Dark. Already got some ideas... But as always I don't have much time atm and the N64 stick converter PCB's are not top priority.
Excellent news mr micro :) Now there is hope for a glorious N64-gaming fall/winter!!!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on July 02, 2014, 05:11:06 AM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on July 02, 2014, 05:11:06 AM
This + marshallh hdmi mod, I can't sleep til these 2 mods are out. My Amiga 1200 is future proof right now with HDMI, optical mouse etc, so now I need the N64 to try to rival those magical sprites from the early 90s. +Micros pcb:s Will make sure we can controll the n64 in the future.
I've got 4 brand spanking NIB Nintendo made controllers that will be getting this mod when micro graces us with a new batch!
I've got 4 brand spanking NIB Nintendo made controllers that will be getting this mod when micro graces us with a new batch!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Harbir24_7 on July 04, 2014, 12:22:40 AM
Post by: Harbir24_7 on July 04, 2014, 12:22:40 AM
Hi,
I have been following this thread to try and put an XBox controller joystick into my now tired N64 controllers.
I've already downloaded micros 2.1 code and purchased a USBIsp and some ATTiny24A chips which haven't arrived yet.
The build looks fairly straight forward as Micros done a good job at providing much of the information required in the code.
As a complete beginner I found the following useful to help get me started with programming a micro controller:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfjFJlrGxs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfjFJlrGxs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTZUpzAjKc#t=296 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTZUpzAjKc#t=296)
https://newbiehack.com/MicrocontrollersInstallingAtmelStudio6.aspx (https://newbiehack.com/MicrocontrollersInstallingAtmelStudio6.aspx)
Hopefully once I get my chips I will get a successful write and be able to get my joysticks working.
Anybody know if Micro released the code yet for v2.2 and I just happened to miss it?
I have been following this thread to try and put an XBox controller joystick into my now tired N64 controllers.
I've already downloaded micros 2.1 code and purchased a USBIsp and some ATTiny24A chips which haven't arrived yet.
The build looks fairly straight forward as Micros done a good job at providing much of the information required in the code.
As a complete beginner I found the following useful to help get me started with programming a micro controller:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfjFJlrGxs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfjFJlrGxs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTZUpzAjKc#t=296 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTZUpzAjKc#t=296)
https://newbiehack.com/MicrocontrollersInstallingAtmelStudio6.aspx (https://newbiehack.com/MicrocontrollersInstallingAtmelStudio6.aspx)
Hopefully once I get my chips I will get a successful write and be able to get my joysticks working.
Anybody know if Micro released the code yet for v2.2 and I just happened to miss it?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on July 04, 2014, 07:24:01 AM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on July 04, 2014, 07:24:01 AM
I might remember wrong, but I think it's the same code. Wasn't it just some labels on the PCB that was different?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on July 04, 2014, 07:30:44 AM
Post by: micro on July 04, 2014, 07:30:44 AM
Yep, same code.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Harbir24_7 on July 04, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
Post by: Harbir24_7 on July 04, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
Thanks. 8)
It does say that in Micros manual but just checking in case I missed something.
It does say that in Micros manual but just checking in case I missed something.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: dav3yb on July 08, 2014, 01:04:04 AM
Post by: dav3yb on July 08, 2014, 01:04:04 AM
Glad to hear these have a good chance of a new batch. I've managed to get 2 good original n64 controllers that aren't limp at all yet, but id still love to have some of the GameCube style sticks, so I can preserve the og ones as much as possible on some of the games that get a bit heavy handed
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Harbir24_7 on July 23, 2014, 05:45:47 PM
Post by: Harbir24_7 on July 23, 2014, 05:45:47 PM
Micro,
I wired up my first ATTiny24A SSU and flashed the EEPRom and HEX files using avrdude and Atmel Studio.
This all worked great :)
Unfortunately when I set the hfuse and lfuse with what you put in the code it stopped responding.
I can no longer talk to the ATTiny24A.
Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
So far I have been doing all this without the 10k resistor. What's it for?
I wired up my first ATTiny24A SSU and flashed the EEPRom and HEX files using avrdude and Atmel Studio.
This all worked great :)
Unfortunately when I set the hfuse and lfuse with what you put in the code it stopped responding.
I can no longer talk to the ATTiny24A.
Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
So far I have been doing all this without the 10k resistor. What's it for?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: flowerlandfilms on July 23, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
Post by: flowerlandfilms on July 23, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
I would like to officially register my interest for 5 of these PCBs when a new batch is made available.
I need companion controllers for my Lodgenet, which can not carry the heavy burden of radness all by itself.
I need companion controllers for my Lodgenet, which can not carry the heavy burden of radness all by itself.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Paar on July 27, 2014, 11:25:56 PM
Post by: Paar on July 27, 2014, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: micro on June 30, 2014, 07:28:59 AM
But I definitely want to address the issues MockyLock discovered with Goldeneye/Perfect Dark. Already got some ideas...
I tried the Goldeneye and can confirm the problem is there. Looking forward for a solution.
EDIT: I tried to recalibrate the stick using the method you mentioned earlier (method number one). It didn't work, mostly. The upperleft, upperright, lowerleft and lowerright corners worked fine, but when I tried to move forward I suddenly moved backward and so on. So I reverted back to the original settings. It's not such an issue as other games work perfectly but if it is solvable I would be happy if the problem could be fixed.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: dav3yb on August 07, 2014, 06:51:46 AM
Post by: dav3yb on August 07, 2014, 06:51:46 AM
So, along with my continued interest in these, i'd like to ask what the official name of the actual joystick piece you send with these is called? or where i might can order some from. I'd like to see if they'll fit in gamecube controllers to replace those if they get worn out. seems like they'd be the same kind.
I've seen plenty for xbox/playstation controllers, which the small microswitch on it for the L/R3 buttons, but it seems hard to find the same ones that will fit in a gamecube controller.
I've seen plenty for xbox/playstation controllers, which the small microswitch on it for the L/R3 buttons, but it seems hard to find the same ones that will fit in a gamecube controller.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on August 07, 2014, 09:07:30 AM
Post by: micro on August 07, 2014, 09:07:30 AM
It's this joystick: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/425609/Joystick-12-VDC-Metallhebel-gerade-Loetpins-1-St?ref=searchDetail (http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/425609/Joystick-12-VDC-Metallhebel-gerade-Loetpins-1-St?ref=searchDetail) (don't trust the stock photo)
The stick is made by Polyshine just like the stick that's inside the replacement stick units. The official name is FJM10K. I've uploaded a PDF: http://www.mediafire.com/download/2m68jr27ax0rxr5/Joystick+FJx10K-2012-06-08-12-02-31.pdf (http://www.mediafire.com/download/2m68jr27ax0rxr5/Joystick+FJx10K-2012-06-08-12-02-31.pdf)
The stick is made by Polyshine just like the stick that's inside the replacement stick units. The official name is FJM10K. I've uploaded a PDF: http://www.mediafire.com/download/2m68jr27ax0rxr5/Joystick+FJx10K-2012-06-08-12-02-31.pdf (http://www.mediafire.com/download/2m68jr27ax0rxr5/Joystick+FJx10K-2012-06-08-12-02-31.pdf)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: eard on August 07, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
Post by: eard on August 07, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
Well, add me to the list of people who'd want to pick up (4) of your joystick packages Micro if you produce another batch. Just tried my first GC style replacement stick tonight, and while it's good, I can see the drawbacks of the 45 38 degree potentiometer in it. Since I'm already starting down this rabbit hole, I might as well go all the way (and/or get really inspired from all the info here and take a crack at the particulars myself)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Harbir24_7 on August 27, 2014, 06:04:48 AM
Post by: Harbir24_7 on August 27, 2014, 06:04:48 AM
@Micro
I have been trying to build your project using some Xbox 360 Pots. After destroying 5 Attiny24A-SSU, I finally switched to the PU series and was able to get one working.
It seems that for some reason it keeps getting stuck on the calibration step.
I've followed the instructions in your manual on doing the calibration step and it doesn't always work. Not sure what I did different but after countless times of trying to calibrate it finally worked.
I then did a backup of the eeprom by doing the following:
I can restore this back by doing a write instead and it works ok. The next problem I seem to be getting is trying to apply a deadzone.
After lots and lots of calibration attempts with a deadzone it will eventually complete calibration but what I get is Up, Down and left all work ok. When I move the stick to the right its ok if I don't go all the way to the right. If I push to far it starts moving left.
Any ideas?
Here's the contents of the eeprom:
Working without deadzone
Not working with deadzone
Also I played Goldeneye perfectly ok including aiming. I did however remove the N64 gate and replace it with a section of the Xbox case.
I'll be posting up all my commands and the order I did them once I finished.
I have been trying to build your project using some Xbox 360 Pots. After destroying 5 Attiny24A-SSU, I finally switched to the PU series and was able to get one working.
It seems that for some reason it keeps getting stuck on the calibration step.
I've followed the instructions in your manual on doing the calibration step and it doesn't always work. Not sure what I did different but after countless times of trying to calibrate it finally worked.
I then did a backup of the eeprom by doing the following:
Code Select
avrdude.exe -c usbasp -p t24 -U eeprom:r:$(ProjectDir)\Release\$(ItemFileName)_EEPRom_Backup.hex:iI can restore this back by doing a write instead and it works ok. The next problem I seem to be getting is trying to apply a deadzone.
After lots and lots of calibration attempts with a deadzone it will eventually complete calibration but what I get is Up, Down and left all work ok. When I move the stick to the right its ok if I don't go all the way to the right. If I push to far it starts moving left.
Any ideas?
Here's the contents of the eeprom:
Working without deadzone
Code Select
:2000000046430000000000000000000000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF6A
:20002000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE0
:20004000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFC0
:20006000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFA0
:00000001FF
Not working with deadzone
Code Select
:200000004251060DD301EB01D901DE0100FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFD4
:20002000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE0
:20004000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFC0
:20006000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFA0
:00000001FF
Also I played Goldeneye perfectly ok including aiming. I did however remove the N64 gate and replace it with a section of the Xbox case.
I'll be posting up all my commands and the order I did them once I finished.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on August 28, 2014, 05:35:52 AM
Post by: MockyLock on August 28, 2014, 05:35:52 AM
Hello !
I come here from time to time.
Those sticks are very cool indeed, and even if it's not the full priority, it's a good new that you, micro, still have a think about the "little" issue i found.
Raise to the perfection !
I come here from time to time.
Those sticks are very cool indeed, and even if it's not the full priority, it's a good new that you, micro, still have a think about the "little" issue i found.
Raise to the perfection !
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Haystack86 on September 14, 2014, 05:32:55 AM
Post by: Haystack86 on September 14, 2014, 05:32:55 AM
I bought about 4 of the gc style replacement joysticks a couple of years ago and this is the first time I have seen the solution to the problem when playing smash bros. I was curious if you were still making the modification kits because I would need one for each of my controllers, anyway if you have more please let me know.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on September 15, 2014, 06:14:42 PM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on September 15, 2014, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: Haystack86 on September 14, 2014, 05:32:55 AMAs micro stated above he will probably make another batch!
I bought about 4 of the gc style replacement joysticks a couple of years ago and this is the first time I have seen the solution to the problem when playing smash bros. I was curious if you were still making the modification kits because I would need one for each of my controllers, anyway if you have more please let me know.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: sphenic on September 15, 2014, 08:38:13 PM
Post by: sphenic on September 15, 2014, 08:38:13 PM
Micro, nice work.
Cant wait for the next batch to be ready!
Cant wait for the next batch to be ready!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MarSAttK on September 26, 2014, 12:35:36 AM
Post by: MarSAttK on September 26, 2014, 12:35:36 AM
Hi,
Sign me up for 4 more PCBs! Looking forward to get those!
:)
Sign me up for 4 more PCBs! Looking forward to get those!
:)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Roos86 on September 29, 2014, 09:51:55 PM
Post by: Roos86 on September 29, 2014, 09:51:55 PM
I'd like 2 as well :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: TechyTom on September 30, 2014, 06:16:46 AM
Post by: TechyTom on September 30, 2014, 06:16:46 AM
I'd also like 4 of these if they become available!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Majoras Mask on October 02, 2014, 03:13:21 AM
Post by: Majoras Mask on October 02, 2014, 03:13:21 AM
Sorry if this is too early, but I'd like 6 kits, when they become available!
Also, one extra "pinhead" with three legs, these:
I had one of these dematerialize before my eyes
when assembling one of the kits I bought last time.
I dropped it and it was gone before it hit the floor.
Very strange.
Also, one extra "pinhead" with three legs, these:
I had one of these dematerialize before my eyes
when assembling one of the kits I bought last time.
I dropped it and it was gone before it hit the floor.
Very strange.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: DNSDies on October 12, 2014, 06:09:55 AM
Post by: DNSDies on October 12, 2014, 06:09:55 AM
I've been trying for over 4 months to get one of these, but you never seem to have them available.
Can you maybe just provide the gerber files for the PCB and a bill of materials so we can make our own if we have access to a PCB fab service and programmer?
Can you maybe just provide the gerber files for the PCB and a bill of materials so we can make our own if we have access to a PCB fab service and programmer?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on October 12, 2014, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on October 12, 2014, 06:05:00 PM
Quote from: DNSDies on October 12, 2014, 06:09:55 AM
I've been trying for over 4 months to get one of these, but you never seem to have them available.
Can you maybe just provide the gerber files for the PCB and a bill of materials so we can make our own if we have access to a PCB fab service and programmer?
Just let the poor man work out the kinks in the current design/code, as he clearly stated he'll have a go at it when he has the time. 4 months isn't that bad, been waiting for the N64 HDMI-mod for well over 3 years now.
Now I'm of to desolder some PIF:s for a mod of my own 8)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: patsey on October 17, 2014, 05:37:24 PM
Post by: patsey on October 17, 2014, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: DNSDies on October 12, 2014, 06:09:55 AM
I've been trying for over 4 months to get one of these, but you never seem to have them available.
Can you maybe just provide the gerber files for the PCB and a bill of materials so we can make our own if we have access to a PCB fab service and programmer?
In the same boat here, can't do anything but wait. I'm so keen to get my hands on these bad boys
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: blecky on October 26, 2014, 04:04:27 PM
Post by: blecky on October 26, 2014, 04:04:27 PM
Hey guys, I just wanted to let you know I have a small write-up for modding the existing GC style joystick board with micro's solution, without the need to order a new PCB. The only thing you will need is an ATtiny24, a 10K resistor and some solder skills.
http://freneticrapport.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/n64-gc-replacement-stick-ic-swap.html (http://freneticrapport.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/n64-gc-replacement-stick-ic-swap.html)
There are a few limitations like using the existing potentiometer, so it's definitely worth holding out for the next board release, but this should tide most people over while they wait, or if you want to be cheap :)
Thank you to micro for creating an awesome mod! Please keep up the great work!
http://freneticrapport.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/n64-gc-replacement-stick-ic-swap.html (http://freneticrapport.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/n64-gc-replacement-stick-ic-swap.html)
There are a few limitations like using the existing potentiometer, so it's definitely worth holding out for the next board release, but this should tide most people over while they wait, or if you want to be cheap :)
Thank you to micro for creating an awesome mod! Please keep up the great work!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Paar on October 28, 2014, 07:22:39 AM
Post by: Paar on October 28, 2014, 07:22:39 AM
Nice work. I'm sure it will come handy.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: dav3yb on October 28, 2014, 08:44:51 AM
Post by: dav3yb on October 28, 2014, 08:44:51 AM
I'm still trying to hold out for these. I want at least 4 of them, maybe more. I've got some busted up controllers in need of something good.
Might go ahead and buy the replacement sticks and just wait for these, but is there any ETA at all for a new batch?
to add: I recently bought some of the gamecube style replacements from video game museum, and i put one of them in. so far it seems to do ok. I dont have any issues spin slashing in zelda. maybe they're getting better at these. i'd still like to get some of these boards though, as i like the idea of being able to calibrate them if something gets off.
Might go ahead and buy the replacement sticks and just wait for these, but is there any ETA at all for a new batch?
to add: I recently bought some of the gamecube style replacements from video game museum, and i put one of them in. so far it seems to do ok. I dont have any issues spin slashing in zelda. maybe they're getting better at these. i'd still like to get some of these boards though, as i like the idea of being able to calibrate them if something gets off.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on November 02, 2014, 05:58:58 PM
Post by: MockyLock on November 02, 2014, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: micro on June 30, 2014, 07:28:59 AM
I'm confident that there will be a new batch. But I definitely want to address the issues MockyLock discovered with Goldeneye/Perfect Dark. Already got some ideas... But as always I don't have much time atm and the N64 stick converter PCB's are not top priority.
Hello micro,
did you find some time to work on this already ?
Just to let you know that i'm playing on my N64 these days, and thy are really smooth and handy !
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: justin.roger.king on November 08, 2014, 09:28:07 AM
Post by: justin.roger.king on November 08, 2014, 09:28:07 AM
How does one PM micro once or if these become available again? New to the site and love what micro is doing with this! Thanks!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: dav3yb on November 12, 2014, 09:10:28 AM
Post by: dav3yb on November 12, 2014, 09:10:28 AM
So besides the issues with things like spin attacks being difficult in OoT, what other major issues did the GC sticks have on their own? I'll be digging through the thread a bit to see if i can find out what people were saying, but i'd like to do some more testing with these new ones i got which seem to do pretty good overall.
edit: well i found that controller test rom and did a couple tests with the 2 controllers i modded with the GC sticks from videogamemuseum (ebay). I think the only issue i can say that comes up in the controller test is that when i rotate the stick around a lot, sometimes it will not reset back to 0 on the x and/or y axis. more so the y axis, and will sometimes get off by 2-4 (or negative). Other than that, the controller seems to hit all the proper points when rotating around the outside of the joystick. No missed or skipped numbers as far as i can tell, and the benchmark made a fairly nice square with both of my joysticks. I jumped into Ocarina and the quick spins seemed to do just fine. It'd be neat to see if somehow micro's code has made it to the people making the replacements.
edit: well i found that controller test rom and did a couple tests with the 2 controllers i modded with the GC sticks from videogamemuseum (ebay). I think the only issue i can say that comes up in the controller test is that when i rotate the stick around a lot, sometimes it will not reset back to 0 on the x and/or y axis. more so the y axis, and will sometimes get off by 2-4 (or negative). Other than that, the controller seems to hit all the proper points when rotating around the outside of the joystick. No missed or skipped numbers as far as i can tell, and the benchmark made a fairly nice square with both of my joysticks. I jumped into Ocarina and the quick spins seemed to do just fine. It'd be neat to see if somehow micro's code has made it to the people making the replacements.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: ohyeahohyeaaaah on January 12, 2015, 02:47:18 AM
Post by: ohyeahohyeaaaah on January 12, 2015, 02:47:18 AM
I just registered to express my interest in these PCB's. If you made an entire kit, including a case for the PCB and a rubber analogue stick, I'm sure you could sell a lot of these Micro!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on January 12, 2015, 06:32:25 AM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on January 12, 2015, 06:32:25 AM
Epic news micro, can't wait until late feb/mar :D I got a new rgb and region modded N64 on the way and I'm doing a proper region mod myself as well. So this + Marshalls HDMI mod will breath life into my N64-gaming.
Cheers'n'beers everybody :D
Cheers'n'beers everybody :D
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: icekiller on January 12, 2015, 03:25:26 PM
Post by: icekiller on January 12, 2015, 03:25:26 PM
Hello Micro,
I would love to purchase 4 of these bad boy joysticks from you. What do I need to do to get some?
Thanks,
Ice
I would love to purchase 4 of these bad boy joysticks from you. What do I need to do to get some?
Thanks,
Ice
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: ohyeahohyeaaaah on January 14, 2015, 05:38:48 AM
Post by: ohyeahohyeaaaah on January 14, 2015, 05:38:48 AM
Is there any word on what the new version 3 will bring to this kit?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on January 21, 2015, 03:52:30 AM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on January 21, 2015, 03:52:30 AM
Quote from: icekiller on January 12, 2015, 03:25:26 PMYou wait until feb/mar and then you do as micro will surely instruct us to do ::)
Hello Micro,
I would love to purchase 4 of these bad boy joysticks from you. What do I need to do to get some?
Thanks,
Ice
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: andrebrait on February 02, 2015, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: andrebrait on February 02, 2015, 10:35:00 AM
Hi there! Just registered to post here! Just found out about this upgrade kit. Does he ship these to South America? I'm looking forward to this kit as I just recently got a N64 with two controllers and was planning to replace their damaged sticks with GC style ones.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on February 04, 2015, 03:38:16 AM
Post by: micro on February 04, 2015, 03:38:16 AM
Update:
The v3 PCB's have arrived, but I still need to order the components, assemble the PCB's, write the new code, compile a new manual/installation guide, etc.
Like I said, I think they'll be available in late february/early march.
- it's red ;D
- v3 will have larger pads so it will be easier to assemble.
- enabling calibration mode will be easier (no more pinheader)
- the range problems in Perfect Dark's/Goldeneye's aiming mode should be resolved (hopefully)
- older v2.x PCB's can be updated with the new v3 code. Once the v3 batch is gone I'll write a guide on how to update.
So this time I'll probably provide an email address so people interested in the PCB's (but not interested in the gameSX forum) can contact me this way.
Stay tuned!
The v3 PCB's have arrived, but I still need to order the components, assemble the PCB's, write the new code, compile a new manual/installation guide, etc.
Like I said, I think they'll be available in late february/early march.
Quote from: ohyeahohyeaaaah on January 14, 2015, 05:38:48 AMWell, what I can already say is:
Is there any word on what the new version 3 will bring to this kit?
- it's red ;D
- v3 will have larger pads so it will be easier to assemble.
- enabling calibration mode will be easier (no more pinheader)
- the range problems in Perfect Dark's/Goldeneye's aiming mode should be resolved (hopefully)
- older v2.x PCB's can be updated with the new v3 code. Once the v3 batch is gone I'll write a guide on how to update.
Quote from: ohyeahohyeaaaah on January 12, 2015, 02:47:18 AMI suspect you're not the only one and I'm afraid this is growing to be a problem. I don't think Lawrence (= admin ;)) likes people joining the forum solely to get those PCB's without really engaging and participating in the discussions on this board. (Please correct me if I'm wrong! ;D)
I just registered to express my interest in these PCB's.
So this time I'll probably provide an email address so people interested in the PCB's (but not interested in the gameSX forum) can contact me this way.
Quote from: andrebrait on February 02, 2015, 10:35:00 AMThat should be possible.
Does he ship these to South America?
Stay tuned!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 04, 2015, 07:34:44 PM
Post by: Andy-Antsinpants on February 04, 2015, 07:34:44 PM
Thanks for the information. It's good to hear that the older boards will be able to update to the latest firmware. Especially for those, who ordered some kits in the past (like me who has got 4).
I'm curious if the update procedure needs any special hardware accessories, and if it can be applied with the stick yet soldered in.
Keep up the good work and many thanks again.
I'm curious if the update procedure needs any special hardware accessories, and if it can be applied with the stick yet soldered in.
Keep up the good work and many thanks again.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: ycdi81 on February 05, 2015, 07:33:30 AM
Post by: ycdi81 on February 05, 2015, 07:33:30 AM
Hi.
How can I preorder or buy the new kit PCB v3?
Can you send it to México?
How can I preorder or buy the new kit PCB v3?
Can you send it to México?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on February 05, 2015, 09:06:15 AM
Post by: micro on February 05, 2015, 09:06:15 AM
I don't even know what to say... :-\
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on February 05, 2015, 05:19:59 PM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on February 05, 2015, 05:19:59 PM
Quote from: ycdi81 on February 05, 2015, 07:33:30 AMHi ycdi81,
Hi.
How can I preorder or buy the new kit PCB v3?
Can you send it to México?
You are in luck, I have two options for you ::)
Option 1:
You say three hail Mary's. If your heart is pure, then you just wait for them to fall like manna from heaven!
Option 2:
You read the information micro has already shared.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: ohyeahohyeaaaah on February 05, 2015, 06:23:11 PM
Post by: ohyeahohyeaaaah on February 05, 2015, 06:23:11 PM
I'm probably blind then, as I don't see any info on preorders. Is it possible? I really want 2 now.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on February 05, 2015, 07:46:05 PM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on February 05, 2015, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: ohyeahohyeaaaah on February 05, 2015, 06:23:11 PMBlind = Don't know. Preorders = No.
I'm probably blind then, as I don't see any info on preorders. Is it possible? I really want 2 now.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: kendrick on February 06, 2015, 05:03:46 AM
Post by: kendrick on February 06, 2015, 05:03:46 AM
Everyone, please don't be mean to the new members. As moderator, that's officially my job. :)
Rules regarding commerce at GameSX apply to any product that a member chooses to offer here. However, I do need to stress that the site doesn't endorse or warrant any item or act of sale. Nor do we provide listings, payment services, or any guarantee. All purchases are made between private individuals. That's why there's no information about preordering or pricing here, because it's not this site that's offering the item.
If you would like to ask Micro about the availability of the N64 stick convertor board or any other product he sells, please contact him privately. If you're interested in sharing your experiences with use or installation of the board, I invite you to post in this thread or in a new one. If you have questions about policy or board etiquette, please contact me or Lawrence directly.
Rules regarding commerce at GameSX apply to any product that a member chooses to offer here. However, I do need to stress that the site doesn't endorse or warrant any item or act of sale. Nor do we provide listings, payment services, or any guarantee. All purchases are made between private individuals. That's why there's no information about preordering or pricing here, because it's not this site that's offering the item.
If you would like to ask Micro about the availability of the N64 stick convertor board or any other product he sells, please contact him privately. If you're interested in sharing your experiences with use or installation of the board, I invite you to post in this thread or in a new one. If you have questions about policy or board etiquette, please contact me or Lawrence directly.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: duo_r on February 07, 2015, 05:52:09 PM
Post by: duo_r on February 07, 2015, 05:52:09 PM
I finally got around to installing this, and it works amazing!
The GameCube sticks I ordered on eBay looked nice but were horrible, the diagonal directors would trigger the opposite diagonal in some games. Really unplayable. This board made them fully functional.
I did play Perfect Dark and noticed the aiming was hard, but I thought it was me.
How will these old boards update? That's so awesome!
I want 2-3 more boards when they become available. Would really like to eventually use a real GameCube stick.
The GameCube sticks I ordered on eBay looked nice but were horrible, the diagonal directors would trigger the opposite diagonal in some games. Really unplayable. This board made them fully functional.
I did play Perfect Dark and noticed the aiming was hard, but I thought it was me.
How will these old boards update? That's so awesome!
I want 2-3 more boards when they become available. Would really like to eventually use a real GameCube stick.
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: MockyLock on February 09, 2015, 04:50:33 AM
Post by: MockyLock on February 09, 2015, 04:50:33 AM
Hello here !
I come time to time to check, and i'm glad there is an update to the boards.
Good job micro. I'm impatient to test this in my favorite FPS :)
I come time to time to check, and i'm glad there is an update to the boards.
Good job micro. I'm impatient to test this in my favorite FPS :)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: public-pervert on February 09, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
Post by: public-pervert on February 09, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
Excellent job, Micro! Can't wait to see how they'll turn out!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: andrebrait on February 13, 2015, 02:19:04 PM
Post by: andrebrait on February 13, 2015, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: micro on February 04, 2015, 03:38:16 AMI suspect you're not the only one and I'm afraid this is growing to be a problem. I don't think Lawrence (= admin ;)) likes people joining the forum solely to get those PCB's without really engaging and participating in the discussions on this board. (Please correct me if I'm wrong! ;D)
So this time I'll probably provide an email address so people interested in the PCB's (but not interested in the gameSX forum) can contact me this way.
I know... I don't really have time to participate in any form of discussion in web forums anymore... it's been years since I last engaged in one other than those I started myself (often because I needed help with a personal project or something like that). I do understand it's not desirable for 'foreigners' to join a board solely because of one topic (specially when it's to buy a product announced in such board) but I want these PCBs so bad...
Quote from: micro on February 04, 2015, 03:38:16 AMQuote from: andrebrait on February 02, 2015, 10:35:00 AMThat should be possible.
Does he ship these to South America?
Nice!
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on February 13, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Post by: Tsurugi_Takuma on February 13, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Quote from: andrebrait on February 13, 2015, 02:19:04 PMWe all want these really bad :-) And in regards to "foreigner"... Dude seriously :D I suspect there are alot of different nationalities on this forum, e.g. I'm Swedish and I was under the impression that micro was German (apologies if I'm not correct on that one hehe).
I know... I don't really have time to participate in any form of discussion in web forums anymore... it's been years since I last engaged in one other than those I started myself (often because I needed help with a personal project or something like that). I do understand it's not desirable for 'foreigners' to join a board solely because of one topic (specially when it's to buy a product announced in such board) but I want these PCBs so bad...
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: dav3yb on February 15, 2015, 09:45:16 AM
Post by: dav3yb on February 15, 2015, 09:45:16 AM
really glad to hear these have come along!
Will you be shipping them with a new joystick like the last batch?
Will you be shipping them with a new joystick like the last batch?
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: tim on February 24, 2015, 10:20:36 AM
Post by: tim on February 24, 2015, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: Tsurugi_Takuma on February 13, 2015, 04:14:53 PMThe source code is full with German comments, and his name does sound very German as well. So I'd think it's safe to assume he actually is German! Found someone on Facebook with the same name, from Germany, now studying in Sweden (no idea if it's actually the same person though), where we're both from! :) It is a small world.
We all want these really bad :-) And in regards to "foreigner"... Dude seriously :D I suspect there are alot of different nationalities on this forum, e.g. I'm Swedish and I was under the impression that micro was German (apologies if I'm not correct on that one hehe).
However, I think he meant "foreigner" as a foreigner to this forum rather than nationality :)
Oh, and I'm also highly interested in the v3 PCB when it's ready. I happened to buy myself a N64 stick replacement without checking online first about the sensitivity issues, got a shock how Perfect Dark was handling - I didn't know if I was a pro at the game when I was 13 or if the sensitivity was off the charts in the replacement. Obviously it was the latter ;)
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: micro on March 13, 2015, 09:01:49 AM
Post by: micro on March 13, 2015, 09:01:49 AM
Haha, yes I'm German but I got no Facebook account! :P
Anyways, here's v3: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5803.0
Anyways, here's v3: http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5803.0
Title: Re: N64 Stick Converter PCB v2.2
Post by: Roboplodicus on April 04, 2016, 04:36:41 PM
Post by: Roboplodicus on April 04, 2016, 04:36:41 PM
@Micro
I've been using your 2.1 code to play around with a gamecube and wii joystick in n64 controller, but I had a question about using a deadzone. Changing the code so that a deadzone is always created in calibration was pretty simple, but I was wondering how to control the size of the deadzone, like maybe as a percentage of the throw of the stick in the x or y direction. I wasn't sure how to do that because there is a deadzone variable but I wasn't sure what that value represented in terms of a 84 stepped joystick output.
I've been using your 2.1 code to play around with a gamecube and wii joystick in n64 controller, but I had a question about using a deadzone. Changing the code so that a deadzone is always created in calibration was pretty simple, but I was wondering how to control the size of the deadzone, like maybe as a percentage of the throw of the stick in the x or y direction. I wasn't sure how to do that because there is a deadzone variable but I wasn't sure what that value represented in terms of a 84 stepped joystick output.