Nintendo is now selling component video cables for the Wii (limit 1 per person). These won't hit US retail stores till after Dec. 5th. Since I'm in the area of NOA, I walked over to their service center and bought one!!! I'll be posting a partial pinout (component, GND and audio) and pictures in a couple of hours!!!
Quick Shortcuts for new readers- Tutorial by tkamen (http://www.tdficq.com/wii_component_cable)
- NFG/GameSX Wiki Pinout Page (http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout)
- Helpful thread when your cable doesn't work (http://nfggames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2387)
Here is a shot of the cable!
No, it isn't the same connector as the "Digital AV" output on the first main revision of the gamecube. So, at this point in time it looks as though there will be NO RGB on the Wii. The connector looks like it might be able to be opened without destroying it!
The Wii connector appears to be overall very similar to the legacy SNES style connector, offering 16 connections instead of 12.
Here is the partial pinout. (Not Complete)
Very excellent work!! Keep it up!
just to be a bit nit-picky on what you have got complete, in the photo you took of the pins it doesn't look like there is a pin 7, but you're got pin 7 listed as carrying Pr... so, is that an oops, or am i just crazy and should shut up now?
I don't know if theres any validity to it but here in the UK the Woolworths chain are offering for pre-order a RGB cable to the Wii.Linky here (http://www.woolworths.co.uk/ww_p2/product/index.jhtml?pid=50788015).
Perhaps one of the pins selects between RGB/Component in a similar way the XBox and Dreamcast select between their output modes? I just hope that one of those unknown pins might be Digital audio, but one can only hope! ^_^
Good catch TJ_Kat. I created the pinout in haste, and mis labeled the component signals! I suppose RGB may very well be possible, as 16 connections are available. However, I have a feeling that the NTSC Wii systems will omit the RGB connections (like the Gamecube). I'll find out on Sunday though!!! The Wii won't be available in Europe till next month...
I took a break from Zelda to tear into the standard composite cable that came with my Wii. The outer cover slides off if you shove something thin in the notches around the edge. Its just a simple cable, no DAC or other electronics, just straight pins to wires. The pin numbering stamped inside the connector is slightly different than the diagram posted. 1-15 on top, 2-16 on bottom. Here is my attempt at an ASCII diagram:
Wii Composite AV Cable
Looking into back of cable connector:
_________________________
| \
| 1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 \
| -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |
| -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |
| 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 /
|_________________________/
Pin Signal
1 Audio Left
2 Audio Right
3 Composite Video
4 N/C
5 GND (Audio Left)
6 GND (Audio Right)
7 N/C
8 N/C
9 N/C
10 N/C
11 N/C
12 GND (Composite Video)
13 N/C
14 N/C
15 N/C
16 N/C
I want to make an RGB cable and need to figure out if there is a Component/RGB select pin of some sort. In the past I have made an SNES/N64 RGB cable by combining two standard Composite cables, and inserting the pins from the 2nd cable into the locations for the RGB signals in the connector of the 1st.
It looks like something similar can be done with the Wii cable, provided we can figure out the output select pin assignments. If someone with the component cable could take the cover off and report on the internal connections, it would be much appreciated. Please label the specific ground pins for each wire's shielding as I have.
I've taken the info from this thread and created a wiki page with the details.
I've assumed dustin's pin numbering was correct, and I THINK I translated RGB32E's pinout to the new scheme correctly.
http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout (http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout)
Update as required!
Hey Lawrence, thanks for the credit! I should be getting a second AV cable to dissect later today and will hopefully find the RGB output. If it isn't switched (I highly doubt it at this point), I suspect that RGBS will be on pins 13-16. However, that�s just a hunch, and the NTSC models might not have RGB output (e.g. Gamecube).
But since Nintendo simply made a 16 pin version of the legacy SNES connector (for the Wii), the likely hood of RGB without mode select seems plausible. The 12 pins on the SNES style connector are enough to facilitate component, Y/C, composite, audio, Vcc, and grounds (if RGBS wasn't available, and the same connector had been kept).
So, I'll update the Wiiki (lol) when I find the Vcc and RGBS assignments (hopefully), unless someone else finds it first!
Dustin, I just checked my Wii Component cable and found that the cable is wired such that all of grounds on the RCA connectors are wired to the same set of GND pins. The GND wiring (on the component cable) isn't quite the same as you described for the composite cable. Mind you, that the cable was NOT connected to the system while using the Volt meter. :)
Besides, on this system (and all others that come to mind), is that GND is GND... The GND pins used for audio in the composite cable were chosen for manufacturing reasons, and not because you have to use pins 5 and 6 for audio GND. Hence, the GNDs are not isolated (in this situation), there just needs to be a connection. I hope I'm not beating a dead horse here!
I just checked the system itself, and found that pins 5, 6, and 12 are the ONLY GND connections. So, make what you will of this!
Also, it looks like pin 13 is +12V DC, pin 4 is +5V DC, and have updated the Wiki.
im wondering if pin 8 is the S-Video "C"... since the audio are on reverse sides, maybe C would be on the reverse side of the Component Y (since the Y are exactly the same for Svideo and Component).. just a thought..
I'll be trying both pins 8 and 10 for a chroma signal. Thankfully I've located the DC Voltage connections (4 and 13), so I shouldn't be destroying anything by trying 8 and 10.
Also, Nintendo's component video cable has pins inserted at position 8 and 10. However, they don't appear to be connected to any wire. Nor are they jumpered together for some speculated "mode select." I tried opening the hood on the component cable, but realized that the connector hood was getting blemished, so I'll wait for another cable to mess with. :|
While your at it, a pinout of the sensor bar connector would be great. Theres gotta be a way to hook that up to a battery pack for people with projectors.
The sensor bar is power and ground. I already extended mine to 50ft without problems (I have a projector).
Battery Pack!? What, do you think the sensor bar is an old gameboy? :wacko: The sensor bar has only two connections! Sounds like you're going to need to wait till you actually have a Wii, projector, and an accessory that doesn't exist! RTFM
i was happy to find this info.
i have to wait a week or so before i can get my component cables.
i refuse to play a game like zelda in composite.
so i ripped apart my stock cable used a few jumper cables and paper clips BAM! now i have a component cable over night :D
one big thing has to be done! you have to jumper pins 8 and 10 to enable component video with progressive scan.
no jumper you cant select 480p under options.
remove it mid game the screen goes black.
hope this tip helps.
if needing a custome pcb for rgb on a 3do did not stop me a silly jumper sure would not :P
this mess will hold me over till i can buy the cable
(http://home.adelphia.net/~acem77/wiicomp.jpg)
Awesome work, acem. Truly using the info the way it was intended. =D
I updated the wiki with the 8&10 info.
I'm glad the info I posted helped! I just checked my component cable again, and yes, pins 8 and 10 are jumpered! :o So that leaves 3 pins unidentified, and other potential jumper combinations unknown! Where are you Y/C?! <_<
QuoteBattery Pack!? What, do you think the sensor bar is an old gameboy? :wacko: The sensor bar has only two connections! Sounds like you're going to need to wait till you actually have a Wii, projector, and an accessory that doesn't exist! RTFM
Ya, a battery pack. Please explain to me why this is not possible if the 2 wires from the sensor bar are just power and ground.
How does the Composite cable trigger the Wii? Chances are the same trigger enables Y/C (like some other consoles)..
When the Composite cable is triggered, does the Y work? if it does, then the C must be around there somewhere..
Thanks for the info RGB32E and acem77, nice work!
My theory about the GND connections fizzled out with this new info, oh well. Yes I realize they are not usually isolated, but I was hoping that one of them was not a ground, but a mode select pin which either got jumpered to ground or not, depending on which cable is plugged in.
I'm still holding out for a way to get it to output RGB instead of Y/Pb/Pr... VGA on the gamecube looks awesome, and the Wii deserves the same.
dustin: Typically a pin that is grounded to select a different mode is held high until it's grounded. That is, it'll read +5v until it's connected to ground.
Normally when you connect +5v to GND you get a nice little sparky and then your console either blows a fuse or simply dies. These 'sense' lines that are grounded to select a mode will be protected by a nice big resistor. This makes them read +5v until connected to GND, at which point the resistor prevents too much current from getting through, and the chip at the other end goes "Ho! The HIGH status has ended, and now we're grounded! Something is connected here!"
Controllers work the same way: each button is HIGH until connected to GROUND.
The upshot of all this is that, when looking for a sense line on the connector, it won't read GROUND until you attach something to it.
That said, don't go attaching GROUND lines to the +5V!!! Use a nice 10k resistor to keep things from asploding.
You could pickup a component cable and a transcoder to have a VGA output! It wouldn't be too far from what a moded cube component cable does.
Mr. Battery Pack, if you have a muli-meter, check the output connector to find out the voltage requirement for the bar, and proceed accordingly (if you have the skills to make your own). And you could even start another thread, as the sensor bar is kinda off topic! :P
Yeah I was considering the VDigi VD-Z3 Component-VGA transcoder, but at $60, plus $30 for the Wii component cable, that is $90 more than I am willing to spend if I can make it myself. :P
acem77,
Is there any chance we could get some close up pictures or a guide as to how you got that working? I'm desperate for a component connection that I'm willing to make one myself.
Thanks!
ecow: All the information you're looking for is on the wiki, and in this thread. What do you want him to do, teach you how electricity works and then mail you some wire?
I mean, seriously, wow. If you can't figure it out from the diagram...
(Hrm, I can see how I have a reputation for being unkind...)
First I would like to thank you guys for the work you have done so far. You guys seem to be the first to have done anything like this so far.
I was looking at my RCA cables and there is no pin on the cable that connects to 3. There is one that connects to 4. Maybe you guys just mad a mistake like I have done so many times in my life or maybe it is me making the mistake.
I have never made video cables before but have a decent understanding of electronics so I want to make my own cables since I hate waiting.
For the Y Pb Pr signals do I need to ground the cables that will carrie those signals to the same ground (12)? Or do I not even have to ground them?
Am I right in assuming that I don't need to mess with the +5VDC and +12VDC connections since I just want to make some component cables?
I plan on making a n00bs guide, for the fellow n00bs like myself, one how to make your own component cables and will of course credit you guys for all of this information.
Thanks and great work guys
Ok,
acem77, you just made my day, well actually most of you guys did..
any way to get a detailed write up on making a set of these? how much of you original cable is left?
I joined after this was linked on xbox-scene great job guys, freakin nintendo, short making a cable there is a high demand for.
acm, any way to get a tutorial on what and how you did it?
Augh, sorry for the downtime. =(
that's ok...
im actually surprised Nintendo didn't keep the old connector from the older generation..
I'd like to know what acem77 did as well. The pinout is just one piece of the information needed. But there are many ways to do this, I for one ventured out looking for a composite video cable that might have all the pins in it, but I couldn't even find a composite video cable! My only other choice would be to tear apart the cable that came with my system (which I don't want to do) but even if I did, there are no contacts for the component pins.
So, acem77, how did you do it exactly? Don't tell me you used paper clips for substitute contacts?...well actually if that is what you did, then please tell me lol.
the GC cable was a D to A converter.
the Wii seems to have that built in.
Im planning on getting a RGB scart cable when the Wii gets realeased over here (only 16 days now). If I get round to it Il probe (and possibly dissect) it and report back my finding here.
QuoteI'd like to know what acem77 did as well. The pinout is just one piece of the information needed. But there are many ways to do this, I for one ventured out looking for a composite video cable that might have all the pins in it, but I couldn't even find a composite video cable! My only other choice would be to tear apart the cable that came with my system (which I don't want to do) but even if I did, there are no contacts for the component pins.
So, acem77, how did you do it exactly? Don't tell me you used paper clips for substitute contacts?...well actually if that is what you did, then please tell me lol.
Really i used paper clips cut to length. :P
my original idea was to use only the original pins.(but i broke too many damn!! you have to slide them back in just right )
there are enough if you dont break any.
leave left and right audio in their spots.
pull composite and the grounds for left and right audio.
all points are grounded in the system so basically to be functional you only need one. just leave the gnd paired with the composite rca.
so you have to move only 3 pins
remove the outer grey cover then move composite to 7-Y, gndL to 9-Pb/Cb, gndR to 11-Pr/Cr and add one paper clip jumper(8to10).
then just cut off the left and right rcas on the other end of the cable. then separate the positive and gnds for both left and right rca connectors.
connect the positive of the left and right to the the center/positive wires from the rcas you cut off earlier.. to finish up the project you will need two more male rca jacks to connect the outer/gnd wires from the audio left and right.
in turn those will become the positives for PR/Cr and Pb/Cb. then you will have your untouched composite video rca turned into Y and using its original gnd to ground everything.
since i messed up i used medium sized paper clips and alligator jumps. the medium paper clips fit snug when you push them in to the back of the open socket while its plugged into the system. remove it from the system all the paper clips will fall out. including the jumper.
(http://home.adelphia.net/~acem77/paperclip.jpg)
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lol, I'm gonna call you MacGyver :P
Oh man, I really didn't want to tear up the cable that came with my system :( but on the bright side, if I can get a third party composite cable then I can tear that sucker to bits and it won't bother me!
Ground is something that has always confused me, I'm gonna have to take an AC/DC fundamentals class sometime haha. But anyway, it would be ok to hook up each individual signal cable's ground to the one single ground pin? Is that correct?
Thanks.
btw, whoever administers this board, I want to personally thank you for allowing guests to post, I think it's important for boards to allow this, it lets possible users get to see what everyone is like before they decide to join. Thanks :)
Crazy - Wii Component Cables go for over $160 on eBay
lol hell with that make your own :P
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=12039 (http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=12039)
Quotebtw, whoever administers this board, I want to personally thank you for allowing guests to post
It's a pet peeve of mine. Until last month we never had a problem with abuse or spam, but now the spammers have flooded the place and the forums are moderated. Guests tho can still post!
As for the component cables, yeah. $160 = morons.
QuoteQuotebtw, whoever administers this board, I want to personally thank you for allowing guests to post
It's a pet peeve of mine. Until last month we never had a problem with abuse or spam, but now the spammers have flooded the place and the forums are moderated. Guests tho can still post!
As for the component cables, yeah. $160 = morons.
even if you didn't allow guests, it still wouldn't work.. im a mod on another board, and had to warn them, as there's a new spam bot, that has OCE technology, and can "Read" the security graphics, and actually register itself on the site, then post as a registered user..
whoever programs those things, i swear, if i ever met one, he won't be able to make another bot, THATS for sure... :angry:
We've stopped that bot in its tracks. Guests AND new members are moderated. Once a new member gets one approved post, they're auto-bumped to a new usergroup that's unmoderated, reducing the workload on the mods.
Anyway, a discusson for another thread perhaps.
ok.. whats the best way to break open the composite cable? i'm looking at it and it has seems .. i tried a razor but can't get through the seems
Quoteok.. whats the best way to break open the composite cable? i'm looking at it and it has seems .. i tried a razor but can't get through the seems
it snaps off. release the top and bottom with something pointy and strong
I'm think following your post until the end...and then it starts to get confusing.
After you crack open the casing of the cable, you'd have to
1. Leave the pins for left and right audio where they are.
2. Pull the pin for composite, and pins for the left and right audio grounds.
3. Move composite to 7 for Y, another to 9 for Pb, and another to 11 for Pr. It technically shouldn't matter which moves where, other than the composite, right?
4. Then cut off the male ends of the RCA cables for L/R audio (White/Red)
5. Separate both the each cable into their ground and positive wires.
Then I lose you.
6. Connect the positive of the left and right to the positive of the ones you cut off before? But the ones you cut off before ARE the left and right...so basically just reattach the positive cable only, since it only needs one ground in the end. Are you SURE thats safe?
7. Then connect the two remaining wires (originally the grounds from L/R) to the new pins for Pb and Pr. Attach new male ends to these.
8. The composite pin is moved to the new Y, and it's ground remains where it originally was...the ONLY ground.
9. Use a paper clip to connect 8 to 10 directly.
Do you have a pic of the original pins? I'm here taking apart my SNES composite cable, and they look like they just might fit.
Also, how did you get off the plastic cover? I'm much more inclined to do it if I don't actually have to tear off any of the original connections, that was I can't break my one and only cable.
cool, got it, i want to pull the pins out, how did you do them?
PEOPLE!!! Just order one from Nintendo!!! http://store.nintendo.com/componentvideocable (http://store.nintendo.com/componentvideocable)
People are getting WAY too carried away these days! :P If your TV is incapable of displaying a good picture from composite... tuff titties! Just order one, and wait a week or so! By the time you have the cable, you'll have more of a reason to play through Zelda: TP again! :wub:
$17k for a PS3, $160 for a Wii Component cable.... when will the insanity end! I guess I lucked out (living close to NOA). :rolleyes:
i would if i could, but it;s annoying to play this when i have my cables hung from the ceiling...
I have a projector, and all the inputs that i ran to my input switch are component and vga... so my yellow plug is directly on my projector which is ceiling mount.. it really bites.
There's no way I'm pulling those pins out if theres ANY chance they'll break - it's impossible to even find a spare composite cable at this point.
I managed to crack the plastic off. I didnt have any banana clips, so I tore apart an old RCA cable, stripped the positive wire, trimmed down the loose ground around it, wrapped it tightly through/around a paper clip, and tried to stick it in 7 for Y. I assume since its luminance, it should at least come through in b/w, like normal component does.
I think the paper clip I have is too small, cause its definitely not snug. I twiddled it around, and got some sort of momentary signal, but it wasn't right...it looked like it was just vertical flipping sorta...not quite the signal.
Does the Wii need to see ALL 3 Y-Pb-Pr in there before itll output on any of them? Does it NEED the jumper too? It'll be a lot easier to get it down right if I can start from just one, and then duplicate across the other pins.
Well, you can order a component video cable from Nintendo! :P Is there some reason you can't order one?
mdaria510, it sounds like you need to connect the ground from your stripped down RCA cable to one of the Wii AV port's ground pins.
QuoteWell, you can order a component video cable from Nintendo! :P Is there some reason you can't order one?
I've already ordered one...it won't be here for another two weeks...so they say. It's not rocket science to connect a few wires together to hack together a comp cable, so why not? As long as I don't tear out the original pins, I don't see how I can break anything. It wouldn't be the first time I've modded AV stuff.
I'll be sure to do try to connect the grounds tomorrow, along with getting bigger paper clips. The reason I didnt was that the guy who originally did it didn't appear to. That sounded strange to me, but I can't think of any good reason not to ground it.
QuoteI'm think following your post until the end...and then it starts to get confusing.
After you crack open the casing of the cable, you'd have to
1. Leave the pins for left and right audio where they are.
2. Pull the pin for composite, and pins for the left and right audio grounds.
3. Move composite to 7 for Y, another to 9 for Pb, and another to 11 for Pr. It technically shouldn't matter which moves where, other than the composite, right?
4. Then cut off the male ends of the RCA cables for L/R audio (White/Red)
5. Separate both the each cable into their ground and positive wires.
Then I lose you.
6. Connect the positive of the left and right to the positive of the ones you cut off before? But the ones you cut off before ARE the left and right...so basically just reattach the positive cable only, since it only needs one ground in the end. Are you SURE thats safe?
7. Then connect the two remaining wires (originally the grounds from L/R) to the new pins for Pb and Pr. Attach new male ends to these.
8. The composite pin is moved to the new Y, and it's ground remains where it originally was...the ONLY ground.
9. Use a paper clip to connect 8 to 10 directly.
Do you have a pic of the original pins? I'm here taking apart my SNES composite cable, and they look like they just might fit.
Also, how did you get off the plastic cover? I'm much more inclined to do it if I don't actually have to tear off any of the original connections, that was I can't break my one and only cable.
after you lost me.
6. reconnect only the positive/center wire from the cable to the positive/center
of the cut rca connectors.
you will need the gnd/outer wire in both the left and right cable to connect to the positive/center of the new male rcas for the
remaining component connections(Pb-Pr).
you are safe with only the one ground left paired with the composite wire.
7. correct
8. correct
9. yes. but you have to slide it in when the socket is plugged in to the system.
there is a solid feel when the correct sized paper clip is inserted.
snes pins are wider.
i used two jeweler screw drivers to lift the top and bottom enough to release the plastic locking tabs then it slid off.
if you get the y in correct and your gnd is good you will get a blank and white picture.
i did mess up my pins so i have to use paper clips. :P
in the end it cant hurt too bad to mess up the pins. all you need to do is get one paper clip back in the right spot to get composite video back if all else fails.
the main reason i did this is i cant wait to long to play in 480p. this will hold me off till the right cable comes in.
Well guys this forum post has made it onto Joystiq
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/22/make-a-w...omponent-cable/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/22/make-a-wii-component-cable/)
I got mine up and running too now. :P
in "step 3" it says move another to 9 for Pb and another to 11 for Pr..
I am sorry but some of this I understand and some I don't...the only confusing or blank spot I have is what exactly do you mean by another? :huh:
Thanks
I think, MAYBE Pin 14, 15 and 16 is for S-Video (Y & C) and RGB C-Sync.
Maybe it is possible like the GC Yuv-Kable or the PS2 System Settings:
Mode Pin 8 & 10 is connect, Wii Output YUV (Pin 7, 9, 11)
Mode Pin 8 & 10 is disconnect, Wii Output RGB (with 220 uf capacitors ???) (Pin 7, 9, 11)
Bye Markus
My monitor doesn't have component plugs- any chance of a pinout for svideo?
Another pin. :P
But don't follow those instructions. Removing the pins is doing it
the hard way, and is unneccessary. It's much better to just leave the
original pins intact, and supplement them with new paper clip pins,
since you have much less of a chance of irreperably screwing up your
one and only cable. Wii in composite is better than no Wii at all.
I only had small paper clips. I managed to get the Y/luminance signal
working once I grounded it to the right audio ground, as long as I
jiggle the clip around until it makes contact. I went ahead and
spliced in the other two wires, but there was no way in hell I could
get both to stay in contact side by side.
To acem77: are you saying you didnt ground the component cables at
ALL? I couldn't get Y to work until I grounded it. Now I have a
beautiful component 480i picture...in black and white. I assume they
all need to be grounded to work...I connected all 3 of the "new"
grounds from the component cables to the ground for right audio...is
that overkill? Should I actually bother splicing one new ground into
each of the three pre-existing grounds? I snatched a few paper clips
from work, so I'll at least be able to do it right later tonight.
Also, any idea what the three mystery pins are? I assume one is
chroma for s-video. Does anyone actually have a stock component cable
and can confirm which 2 of the 3 mystery pins are the extra grounds
for the 2 extra component cables? It should be obvious by the process
of elimination...one of the three mystery pins should missing from the
component cable, and thus should be the chroma....
[q]ode Pin 8 & 10 is connect, Wii Output YUV (Pin 7, 9, 11)
Mode Pin 8 & 10 is disconnect, Wii Output RGB (with 220 uf capacitors
???) (Pin 7, 9, 11)[/q]
Definitely not - I didnt have 8-10 jumpered, and pin 7 was putting out
pure luma.
This information is great and gives me a glimmer of hope for my holiday weekend. Thought I am caught by the slight scaryness that no replacement cables are in the stores locally yet.
I have though though of a solution that I think I will try and wanted to bounce this off as it might be a solution for the less brave. I am thinking of using a dremil to put some slight groves in the black part of the plug to make room for the extra wires to come around the plug. And maybe use nail polish or paint to cover the video contact.
I think this would have limit repercussions as it could be undid with minor damage to the cable.
So, any chance of a nOOb tutorial for those of us that arn't awesome?
QuoteDustin, I just checked my Wii Component cable and found that the cable is wired such that all of grounds on the RCA connectors are wired to the same set of GND pins. The GND wiring (on the component cable) isn't quite the same as you described for the composite cable. Mind you, that the cable was NOT connected to the system while using the Volt meter. :)
Besides, on this system (and all others that come to mind), is that GND is GND... The GND pins used for audio in the composite cable were chosen for manufacturing reasons, and not because you have to use pins 5 and 6 for audio GND. Hence, the GNDs are not isolated (in this situation), there just needs to be a connection. I hope I'm not beating a dead horse here!
Can you be more specific as to how it's grounded? The stock composite cable has three grounds.
Left --> 5
Right --> 6
Composite Vid --> 12
But you say the component has only TWO grounds? How is it wired? All video to one, audio to the other? All split equally between the two? Or otherwise?
I'd like to emulate the stock cable as much as possible when I'm doing the mod.
So, by opening the A/V cable would I break the warranty? Also, is there any way to mod it so I could still use the composite signal (or rather, can I do it so I can "unhack" it and use the composite cable like normal)?
So from all this, will there ever be a chance of a VGA cable solution?
Apparently with the GC the Japanese D Terminal cable could be modded to a VGA, so is it possible to do it with the Wii version of this cable or mod the component to VGA?
http://www.digg.com/ (http://www.digg.com/) you've been dug!
hi there, i will be getting a wii on 8th december, i currently have a tav with 2 scart connections and the red white yellow rca connections at the front,
what cable would i need for the best possible picture i can get with those connections? thanks for any help
Nintendo.com is now backordered until Dec 18 for component cables. :(
I'm taking a stab at this today as playing Zelda in 480i on my hdtv is making my eyes bleed.
Is it possible to get component out while still leaving the original pins and cable intact? The reason I ask is because I can't seem to get anything but Y to work(black and white) doing it this way.
I got a spare RCA cable and connected the positive wires to 7,9,11 respectively and combined the three ground wires and spliced them into 12. I then jumpered 8 to 10. What I get is a black and white image that cannot be put into progressive mode.
Is it because 3 still has a pin that is connected to the original composite video wire? I figured that as long as I left the original video cable unplugged that it wouldn't even know that it was there. Or am I wrong?
Is there anything that I am overlooking? I don't understand why I can't get any kind of signal from Pb and Pr.
For the S-video cable, I'd suggest that it goes something like this:
mode pins - not connected
Y (7) - luma
Pb (9) - chroma
Gnd (5, 6, 12)
Might have luma & chroma reversed; not 100% sure about those.
I finally got this working last night/early this morning and Zelda in 480p is stunning.
To answer some of the common questions in the thread:
Yes you can leave the composite pin in place and add the other pins without messing up the composite video signal.
It doesn't matter what ground you tap off of 5, 6, or 12 they are all common.
You should only ground the Y component cable, leave Yr and Yb ungrounded.
I used Acco paper clips (size #1) these are the small ones, not the jumbos. To get a snug fit - double the paper clip onto itself making a long "U" shape and pinch the 2 pieces as close to each other as possible.
To get a nice clean and fairly sturdy install, transfer your alligator clips to directly soldered component cables onto the paper clips. To make sure that the pins would not short, I used some heat shrink tubing on the part of the paper clip/wire that is exposed.
QuoteI finally got this working last night/early this morning and Zelda in 480p is stunning.
To answer some of the common questions in the thread:
Yes you can leave the composite pin in place and add the other pins without messing up the composite video signal.
It doesn't matter what ground you tap off of 5, 6, or 12 they are all common.
You should only ground the Y component cable, leave Yr and Yb ungrounded.
I used Acco paper clips (size #1) these are the small ones, not the jumbos. To get a snug fit - double the paper clip onto itself making a long "U" shape and pinch the 2 pieces as close to each other as possible.
To get a nice clean and fairly sturdy install, transfer your alligator clips to directly soldered component cables onto the paper clips. To make sure that the pins would not short, I used some heat shrink tubing on the part of the paper clip/wire that is exposed.
This is great advice!
I didn't have any paperclips, so I used the white cable "twistie ties" that came with the Wii itself! Strip the end back and fold it over itself, crimp it together a bit with a pair of pliers and it works great so far. As a bonus, the rest of the wire is insulated.
:blink: 18890+ Views WOW! people love the Wii and demand 480p!! how much traffic can the forum handle lol?
just to let people know my mod is not meant to be permanent in any way.
it is just there to hold me over for a few weeks.
very true it is ghetto but it does the job and that is all that counts as a proof of concept.
i have done many other mods that are far from ghetto for my duo, nes, 3do , cdi, ect.
my fav and most complex non ghetto mod the RGB 3do costom made pcb and a lot of time going through almost lost scrap pieces of data. thanks to moosmann for that data (http://nfggames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1964&st=0&#entry13197)
i am too hardcore with my video to sit there and be forced to play my new next gen system in composite:P
thanks to rgb32e with his pics and info i was able to complete the puzzle and most likely be the 1st to do a functioning mod.
there are many ways to do it the paper clip only way is the raw and most likely the safest way to do it.
the other way i explained will be the closest to a permanent mod.
Great thread.
I just don't understand the need for the "mode pins".
Shouldn't the "progressive mode" be software selectable?
Or is it only there for the Wii to detect that a "allowed" cable is plugged in?
P.S. hopefully in Europe they'll have a larger stock of component cables on Dec 8th. ;)
QuoteI didn't have any paperclips, so I used the white cable "twistie ties" that came with the Wii itself! Strip the end back and fold it over itself, crimp it together a bit with a pair of pliers and it works great so far. As a bonus, the rest of the wire is insulated.
LOL, the truth comes out. Component cables included with every Wii system, some assembly required. :D
QuoteI just don't understand the need for the "mode pins".
Shouldn't the "progressive mode" be software selectable?
Or is it only there for the Wii to detect that a "allowed" cable is plugged in?
You nailed it. If you don't short 8 & 10 the Wii doesn't know it's allowed into progressive mode. It helps reduce the number of blown-up TVs Nintendo has to hear about when some idiot switches progressive on and his 20-year-old Zenith throws a wobbly.
Quotethe truth comes out. Component cables included with every Wii system, some assembly required.
Hahaha, well said. =D
QuoteIs it possible to get component out while still leaving the original pins and cable intact? The reason I ask is because I can't seem to get anything but Y to work(black and white) doing it this way.
I got a spare RCA cable and connected the positive wires to 7,9,11 respectively and combined the three ground wires and spliced them into 12. I then jumpered 8 to 10. What I get is a black and white image that cannot be put into progressive mode.
I did this as well, except I only grounded the Y cable. I have the same problem, B&W image that can't be put into 480p....something I'm missing?
QuoteQuoteIs it possible to get component out while still leaving the original pins and cable intact? The reason I ask is because I can't seem to get anything but Y to work(black and white) doing it this way.
I got a spare RCA cable and connected the positive wires to 7,9,11 respectively and combined the three ground wires and spliced them into 12. I then jumpered 8 to 10. What I get is a black and white image that cannot be put into progressive mode.
I did this as well, except I only grounded the Y cable. I have the same problem, B&W image that can't be put into 480p....something I'm missing?
I just redid everything and this time I only grounded Y. Still no luck, only B+W.
QuoteI just redid everything and this time I only grounded Y. Still no luck, only B+W.
it's probably your connections. I just redid mine and really pushed the twistie-tie way down in there, and now I have everything except Yb. I can even switch to 480p now.
How difficult would it be to make your own S-Video cable?
QuoteQuoteI just redid everything and this time I only grounded Y. Still no luck, only B+W.
it's probably your connections. I just redid mine and really pushed the twistie-tie way down in there, and now I have everything except Yb. I can even switch to 480p now.
Yep, was just a bad connection. I didn't have my 8-10 jumper pushed down far enough.
The small paperclips doubled over worked great, nice and snug. I then soldered the wires to the paperclips. Now I am enjoying Zelda in 480p. Thanks everyone. B)
Thanks so much for all your information, I was going to attempt this using the paper clip method.
I had a couple questions before I start tearing up my composite cable.
1. Do you need to use cables specifically meant to be component video cables to make the Y, Pb, Pr connections or can you just use a regular set of RCA cables (composite, left audio, right audio)?
2. Can you use the original audio cables or do you need to modify them in some way?
3. In summary, is this the procedure?
a. Insert paper clips into slots 7, 9, 11 & one of the three grounds.
b. Connect the paper clips from 7, 9, 11 to the positive wire in three separate RCA cables, 7 for Y, 9 for Pb, 11 for Pr.
c. Connect the paperclip from one of the three ground pins to the ground wire from the Y RCA cable.
d. Use a paperclip to short pins 8 & 10.
e. Play Zelda in the glory of 480p.
Thanks again for the help.
yo, I joined :P
I've run into a problem already though. I read through your reply to my first post as a guest and pin 11 is not Pr, but is instead the composite video ground...so I'm confused here.
This is what you said:
" just leave the gnd paired with the composite rca.
so you have to move only 3 pins
remove the outer grey cover then move composite to 7-Y, gndL to 9-Pb/Cb, gndR to 11-Pr/Cr and add one paper clip jumper(8to10).
"
The composite and composite ground are pins are 4 and 11 respectivly, I've checked this with my multi-meter. I'm looking at the wiki and comparing it with the information I got from my multi-meter and the only pins that match are the audio..
wtf is going on? I'm so fricken confused right now....grrrrr
QuoteThanks so much for all your information, I was going to attempt this using the paper clip method.
I had a couple questions before I start tearing up my composite cable.
1. Do you need to use cables specifically meant to be component video cables to make the Y, Pb, Pr connections or can you just use a regular set of RCA cables (composite, left audio, right audio)?
2. Can you use the original audio cables or do you need to modify them in some way?
3. In summary, is this the procedure?
a. Insert paper clips into slots 7, 9, 11 & one of the three grounds.
b. Connect the paper clips from 7, 9, 11 to the positive wire in three separate RCA cables, 7 for Y, 9 for Pb, 11 for Pr.
c. Connect the paperclip from one of the three ground pins to the ground wire from the Y RCA cable.
d. Use a paperclip to short pins 8 & 10.
e. Play Zelda in the glory of 480p.
Thanks again for the help.
1. No, regular RCA cables will work just fine.
2. You use the original unmodified audio cables for sound.
3. Yep you got it right except for one thing. All three grounds already have wires in them so you don't use a paperclip for that. Just splice the Y ground into one of the existing black wires.
QuoteI used Acco paper clips (size #1) these are the small ones, not the jumbos. To get a snug fit - double the paper clip onto itself making a long "U" shape and pinch the 2 pieces as close to each other as possible.
Am I missing something here? I have Acco #1 clips, I bent them into a tight U and they do squeeze in snugly but they don't make contact with the Wii port connectors ... when you plug in the cable, the wii pushes them out far enough to lose contact.
Hotarri -
You don't have to use special cables for component - just make sure they are not too cheap, because you don't want any "noise."
You do not need to do anything with the audio cables, just use them as is.
You can install a paper clip into one of the ground pins if you want - but you really don't have to. I stripped back one of the ground cables and just soldered my Y ground directly onto the ground cable. This way you can stay away from the pins and not mess anything up.
The rest of your summary is fine.
QuoteAm I missing something here? I have Acco #1 clips, I bent them into a tight U and they do squeeze in snugly but they don't make contact with the Wii port connectors ... when you plug in the cable, the wii pushes them out far enough to lose contact.
You may not be pushing them in far enough. Make sure that you are installing the pins after the connector is inserted into the back of the wii. You should get some resistance when inserting the paper clip, but not enough to push it out. If you are having trouble installing it one way, try rotating the paper clip 90 degrees to see if that provides a snugger (if that's a word) fit.
Speaking of Wii component cables - is anyone aware of a Wii component cable with support for digital audio output?
A Froogle search ("wii" "component" "intec") returns many results suggesting this exists. Is it real or just erroneous?
-Anthony
After reading this topic and viewing the pictures I should add my two cents to this.
It appears that the Wii A/V cables use pretty much the same parts that are used for the standard Composite Video cables used for the SNES, N64, and GameCube.
On the standard SNES/N64 Composite Video cable plugs there are small windows that correspond to each of the pins in the plug. The pin has a latch that goes through the window. This keeps the pin from being pushed back out when you connect the cable to the unit.
To remove the pin, as I have done when making RGB cables from the Nintendo cables, I used a safety pin and gently push the latch in. Then I use a large blade, place it near the pin I wish to remove, push the blade flat against the inside of the plug (pushing in the spring part of the pin), and very gently pull the pin out of the plug. Then I push the latch back out when I remove the pin so it will relatch when I reinsert it back into the plug.
Since I do NOT have one of these Wii cables I cannot confirm if it does work exactly the same way for pin removal.
Since I believe that Nintendo is using the same parts they used for the older cables it MAY be possible to replace or add new pins to a Wii cable by removing pins from the older Composite Video cables for SNES/N64/GameCube and putting them into the Wii cable.
To confirm my theory is there anyone out there who has both a Wii video cable and a standard Nintendo Composite Video cable that can remove a pin from each and take a picture for this topic so we could all see if I am or am not correct?
QuoteHow difficult would it be to make your own S-Video cable?
I am also interested in S-video. I called Nintendo to see if I could buy a S-video cable and they said it was backordered until February. Has anyone found which pin is chroma?
QuoteSince I believe that Nintendo is using the same parts they used for the older cables it MAY be possible to replace or add new pins to a Wii cable by removing pins from the older Composite Video cables for SNES/N64/GameCube and putting them into the Wii cable.
To confirm my theory is there anyone out there who has both a Wii video cable and a standard Nintendo Composite Video cable that can remove a pin from each and take a picture for this topic so we could all see if I am or am not correct?
I already tried that; unfortunately the SNES/N64/Gamecube pins are larger and don't fit into the Wii connector.
I see Amazon UK are selling an "official RGB Scart cable" for the Wii
This means it DOES have RGB, at least the one on sale here in the UK.
I dont expect its economical to make different versions for different countries anymore as the components are so cheap, I expect its simply a mode select issue on the cable to enable RGB.
My suggestion is to keep poking those pins, or wait till somebody from Europe gets and RGB cable and can check the pinout.
ALso, Stop moaning about having to wait for your component cable. We dont even have the console yet and wont do untill after most of you have your cables. So stop moaning and count yourselves lucky Nintendo sold you anything.
What I have done in the past to remove the pins from the SNES/Gamecube A/V connector is remove the outer shell, then insert the cable into the console and then pull the wires out from the back of the connector. Worked like a charm for me, perhaps the same method could be used for the Wii cable.
Thanks.
I'm wetting a Wii in a few days, and am planning to do this rather than dish out the money and hassle on the much-desired component cables.
One thing I don't understand is why Nintendo and other concole companies don't supply dongles for different cables at the start. It would be dirt cheap to supply 2-3 different dongles; in wii's case, it could have been s-video and composite. Then the user picks up a male-to-male s-video or composite RCA cables, which are universally availiable, and use those.
Oh wait... I know why... console companies want to sell "official" cords at $30 a pop instead of let users use cables they probably already have ;)
Here are my noob questions to the pros:
When I strip a composite wire, it looks like there is a wire going through the center, a ring of shielding around that, and then a thin wire in the center. What's a good way to connect these to the signal/ground paper clips? Do clamp an alligator clip to the outside and then another to the inside? And does every strand need to be in contact (I think my stripper cuts one of them off as the hole in the stripper is slightly too small)?
Should I try to twist or mash all of the copper strands together to form a wire (as opposed to a ring) and then clip it?
Also, I dimly recollect learning that different materials have different resistance, etc. and that this matters in electronics. Is there any possibility that using paper clips or twistie ties as pins will harm my Wii or television?
Happy Thanksgiving (to those in the US)!
"I already tried that; unfortunately the SNES/N64/Gamecube pins are larger and don't fit into the Wii connector."
Thanks for the info. I was hoping it would be a good solution to the pin problem but it was not to be. Oh, well.....
I am also interested in locating chrominance © for S video. My idea was to take an old broken SNES of mine and create a converter to use my plethora of standard Nintendo cables on the Wii.
QuoteSpeaking of Wii component cables - is anyone aware of a Wii component cable with support for digital audio output?
A Froogle search ("wii" "component" "intec") returns many results suggesting this exists. Is it real or just erroneous?
-Anthony
I did a regular Google search with the same terms and got the same info, I hope it's true. I'd import one just for the possibility of hacking it to output RGB, or failing that dissect it and add Digital audio to the official RGB cable.
Quote"The sensor bar is power and ground. I already extended mine to 50ft without problems (I have a projector)."
My cat chewed my sensor bar cable to shite and I need to repair the cord. I split the wires and duct taped them back together, thinking it would work fine. It doesn't.
How did you splice the cable back together and with what tools?
Hey guys, maybe you can help me out.
I thought I connected everything properly, but I get black and white no matter what!
I'll give you a run down on everything I did and maybe you can tell me what's wrong.
(I have tried re-doing everything, the only thing I can think of is that my bridge for 8 and 10 might be wrong, but I dont understand if that would have anything to do with not having color since it's only supposed to enable progressive scan, no?)
Here is what I did.
I had my Nintendo composite cables then a pair of RCA cables that I wasn't using.
I removed the shell from the cables exposing the wires.
I removed the pins for composite video and the 2 grounds for audio.
I inserted the video into pin 7, and then the other two into 9 and 11.
I proceeded then to cut off the male connectors for the left and right audio on the Wii composite cable.
After that I cut off the male connectors for left and right audio off the RCA cables that I was not using.
I connected the positive (middle) of left and right audio back to the left and right audio cables I had cut off the wii.
The former ground (outside) wires I twisted together and connected to the new RCA cables that I cut (respectively, each wire to each head, creating two new heads for the color)
On a sidenote, I soldered together the wire to prevent breaking and then wraped it up with some electrical tape to try and make it look as neat as possible.
The only problem I had is trying to bridge pins 8 and 10. I've tried a few different way's, but don't ever receive an option to enable component. When I insert the paper clip how far is it supposed to go? Its supposed to touch the pins on the dongle as well as the pins on the insert of the Wii, correct?
Would not bridging 8 and 10 correctly give me the color issues or is it something else? Even if I left it unbridged I still have no color on the screen.
I have tightened everything as hard as I can, except for the 8/10 bridge, which I have been a little lenient on because I didnt want to break the consoles connection.
Does anyone have/know how to fix this problem?
I tried to go into as much detail as I can, if you have any questions I'll help you out.
Thanks a lot,
Dark
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hey there! im new and just started attempting the mod here's what i've done so far:
I've left the Audio channels on Pins 1 and 2
Then I moved the Composit Pin to 7
Then Moved Audio GroundL to Pin 9
Then Moved Audio GroundR to Pin 11
Then Kept Composit Ground on Pin 12
I've also Jumpered Pins 8 and 10 together
All I've been able to get is a black and white Image, is there something I'm doing wrong?
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Gonna kill a few birds with one post here:
QuoteHow did you splice the cable back together and with what tools?
Apparently the sensor bar is just 12V, one wire is positive, one is negative. Make sure you've got the wires going to the right places. I haven't seen the calbe to see how it's made, but is it possible you reversed the two?
If that doesn't solve things, try leaving the console unplugged for a while. The cat might have shorted something and the console's shut down the 12V supply.
Finally, you might have blown the sensor bar. An internet search will point you towards other fixes using two remote controls to do the same job. (Try youtube)
NOTE! Black and white problems should move to this thread (http://nfggames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2387).QuoteWhen I strip a composite wire, it looks like there is a wire going through the center, a ring of shielding around that, and then a thin wire in the center. What's a good way to connect these to the signal/ground paper clips? Do clamp an alligator clip to the outside and then another to the inside? And does every strand need to be in contact (I think my stripper cuts one of them off as the hole in the stripper is slightly too small)?
Your alligator clip theory sounds good to me. You don't need to connect EVERY strand, but as you'll read in the next paragraph, more is better.
QuoteShould I try to twist or mash all of the copper strands together to form a wire (as opposed to a ring) and then clip it?
Just connect the metal bits to other metal bits. How you do it doesn't matter as much, but that said: making a solid purchase with more metal is the thing to aim for. Weak connections on a few strands won't work as nicely.
QuoteAlso, I dimly recollect learning that different materials have different resistance, etc. and that this matters in electronics. Is there any possibility that using paper clips or twistie ties as pins will harm my Wii or television?
No, this is not a concern for the kind of signals we're discussing
QuoteMassive quote deleted by NFG
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I am having the EXACT SAME issues!
no matter what I do, Black and white :(
I decided I'd bridge 8 and 10 together when I get color going via component.
any one else having this problem?
Edit~
The post must've been edited because it was LONG lol
You even quoted it, XmasGT:
Black and white problems should move to this thread (http://nfggames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2387).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Backyard Style!
Way Cool!
This is awesome, I expect to try this myself as I am getting a HD TV on Saturday (I hope).
If I can't find a second cable to gut how risky is it that I might destroy the cable that came with my Wii if I mess this up?
I don't want to end up being unable to play my Wii at all just because I was impatient.
Thanks
Parabolee
www.flat-life.com
Okay, so I'm new at this type of stuff and I'm wondering how to remove the pins from the connection without breaking them or the cables. Do I just carefully do it by pulling on the cable or should I stick something in there and try to get them out that way?
Here is my other question, when I move the two ground connection pins, how do I get to the other side of them? Do I cut them where they are spliced into the audio connections?
So these are the steps?
1. Insert clips into 7, 9, and 11.
2. Connect those clips to RCA cables (7 = Y, 9 = Pb, 11 = Pr)
3. Short 8 and 10.
Are you sure you don't need to do anything with the grounds?
And what is this black and white buisness?
What if I turn progressive scan on with a TV that doesn't support it (but does have component input)? Will my TV blow up or something?
Also, if I turn on Widescreen mode on my 480i television, will it reduce the resolution to put black bars on the top and bottom?
Thanks for helping a noob guys.
haha! I'm stupid! I just figured out why I was so fricken confused! I was looking at the pins head on when I should have been looking at them from the back! Wooo, so happy I figured that one out :P
nm my stupid post from earlier.
Can anyone give more details on how to open the composite casing? Does it need to just be ripped up or is there a proper way to open it?
Would it be possible to forgo the paperclips and instead solder some wires and stick them in the pin holes? I tried to do this but don't get any signal on my tv. Here is a picture of how I'm doing it:
(http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9046/ghettozz0.jpg)
It's a little blurry but you get the idea. The best I could do for grounding the Y cable was to alligator clip it. into the ground already existing for the composite.
I wasn't sure this was going to work but someone more knowledgable than me said that it would. But I am not getting any signal now, so I don't know what to do.
Edit: Okay, I went ahead and went with the paper clip method and now I get signal but just black and white. Gonna fool around with it some more.
Thanks guys for the info. I used my old Gamecube component cable and took the pins from it, they are a bit smaller at the connection, but are perfect size to fit in the groove when you slide them in.
can someone PLEASE make a newbs guide step by step please. there seems like to be so many replies jumping from thing to thing that im getting lost.
got it to work
Well, I finally got all my colors working. Sort of.
My connections are extremely fickle. Basically if I touch the console I will lose one/all of my colors. Is everybody's connection like this? Do I need some new paper clips or what?
ill try to whip up a step by step drawing in paint after i do it myself...i'm gonna run to the store and get a soldering iron and then i'll get started.
Where are yall getting the extra composite wii cable from? I need an extra to tear it apart.
Quotecan someone PLEASE make a newbs guide step by step please. there seems like to be so many replies jumping from thing to thing that im getting lost.
Most likely no one will do this : \ I know it sucks, but I'm assuming the lack of motivation for putting more effort into this is because the Wii component cables will be out soon. So there for nobody feels it would be worth it to write out a step by step guide. I know I'm not gonna do it (mainly because I'm lazy, but also because I haven't done this yet haha)
Anyway, I'm really sorry, I know exactly how you feel about this, it is a headache and too much hassle trying to go around and piece a puzzle together bit by bit. Someone may write a guide for it though, I just don't think it will happen anytime soon.
Just came up with another thought.
How about using the pins from the Nintendo made RF Modulator they used for the SNES Jr/N64/GameCube?
I know those are smaller than the pins from the Composite Video cables. However, half the pins are going to be long and the other half will be shorter because they are soldered to a small motherboard. Can anybody try that?
I just made my own mod using the pinouts provided. An easier way was to use the Wii Composite cable, use the 3-rca connectors as your Y, Pb, Pr. Crack open the black part of the connector out, just by sticking a flat head screwdriver in between the gray and black and pry out. Then use a sewing NEEDLE to poke into the front part of the connector to pull out the pins carefully. After all the pins are out of the connector, use the NEEDLE to make the little locking pin stick back up a little bit so when you put the pins in it's hole, it will stay put.
Just rearrange the pins to the correct holes using the diagram provided here. I had to connect all 3 ground, but I get Black and White video. I haven't connected audio yet. But doing this way seems alot easier than the Alligator clips and Paperclips. The secret tool is the NEEDLE!
So if someone can solve my Black and White issue, then this could be the most easiest cable mod I've made for a console. Last time I made a vga cable for the gamecube with success and then sold on ebay.
QuoteQuotecan someone PLEASE make a newbs guide step by step please. there seems like to be so many replies jumping from thing to thing that im getting lost.
Most likely no one will do this : \ I know it sucks, but I'm assuming the lack of motivation for putting more effort into this is because the Wii component cables will be out soon. So there for nobody feels it would be worth it to write out a step by step guide. I know I'm not gonna do it (mainly because I'm lazy, but also because I haven't done this yet haha)
Anyway, I'm really sorry, I know exactly how you feel about this, it is a headache and too much hassle trying to go around and piece a puzzle together bit by bit. Someone may write a guide for it though, I just don't think it will happen anytime soon.
I'm probably going to do this tomorrow. I f I do and I get it to work I will do a step by step guide, including pictures.
Could be a while until the cables are easy to come by.
Parabolee
www.flat-life.com
I really didn't want to post this question but it has gotten to the point where I've been left no other choice.
How do I get the jacket off of the composite plug that comes with the Wii!? I've only seen a couple of people ask this so I assumed it was no big deal, but for the love of god the thing will not come off. I've slid a flat object into the sides of the plug but it certainly does not, "just slide right off". What is going on? Do I just have a stubborn cable? I don't want to tear this thing up if I don't have to and according to this thread I don't have to tear it up, so what am I doing wrong? :(
QuoteI really didn't want to post this question but it has gotten to the point where I've been left no other choice.
How do I get the jacket off of the composite plug that comes with the Wii!? I've only seen a couple of people ask this so I assumed it was no big deal, but for the love of god the thing will not come off. I've slid a flat object into the sides of the plug but it certainly does not, "just slide right off". What is going on? Do I just have a stubborn cable? I don't want to tear this thing up if I don't have to and according to this thread I don't have to tear it up, so what am I doing wrong? :(
Took me a while with mine, I had to use two small flathead screw drivers to pry it up above and below the connector, but then it slid back and down the cable.
You need to push off the lock on top and below the connector, at the same time, for it to come off.
I just got back from Radio Shack with some alligator clips so I'm gonna try my hand at all this.
OK guys we need a COMPLETE step by step instructions on how to make this thing lol.
EDIT : Removed pictures for an update. Hopefully I'll get it right this time :P
QuoteI really didn't want to post this question but it has gotten to the point where I've been left no other choice.
How do I get the jacket off of the composite plug that comes with the Wii!? I've only seen a couple of people ask this so I assumed it was no big deal, but for the love of god the thing will not come off. I've slid a flat object into the sides of the plug but it certainly does not, "just slide right off". What is going on? Do I just have a stubborn cable? I don't want to tear this thing up if I don't have to and according to this thread I don't have to tear it up, so what am I doing wrong? :(
Try 3 butter knives. Pry it up till the plastic lip (between where the two notches are on both sides and then slide one in to hold it up, do the other side the same way, then slide.
QuoteHow do I get the jacket off of the composite plug that comes with the Wii!?
I managed to get mine off after a while of trying. What I ended up doing is sticking four little screwdrivers in the slots that are on the bottom of the casing. I really had to push them in pretty far to get it. Then finally the thing just slid off.
The screwdrivers I used were from a precision tool set. They were like .04" to .07" sizes. I'm sure theres a better way to do it, but thats what worked for me.
Soundfx:
To get the jacket off mine I had to take a flathead screw driver and wedge it in at the four slotted points on the edge of the connector. It completly bent up the case so it was no longer usable but I was pretty forceful with it so there might be a better way to get into it.
Once I mangled it this way the case just slid forward off the connector. Hope that helps.
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone here. I got my component cable working tonight, surprisingly it went pretty easily. I posted a page with the description of everything I did and posted pictures of it. Take a look at it, hopefully it will help others that read this post and need help doing this.
pages.justinjas.com (http://pages.justinjas.com)
If anyone trying this out themselves has questions about how to get theres going feel free to post them and I'll try to help out. Thanks guys.
Only one person has reported their technique for removing the Wii end cable cover. He slid a jeweller's screwdriver into the little slots, and wiggled, basically. You need to pry both sides off at the same time, that's the trick. Get a friend and 4 drivers and go crazy. =)
Creamzsoda, your pictures are incorrect. Please edit the pin numbering to match the information on the wiki and change the wiring diagram accordingly, before people get even more confused...
Thanks to everybody that contributed all of the wiring info; I was able to rig up a component cable thanks to you guys. I was able to make a pretty clean cable and once I manage to get my hands on an official one, I'll restore my modded RCA/component cable to it's original form.
I removed my video composite pin and put it in 7, removed red and white ground pins and put them in 9 and 11. I cut up some spare RCA's to connect the ground from the original nintendo audio cables to the positive of my RCA's and I get nothing period, not even a black and white picture. Do you have to put a paperclip in 8 and 10 to even test? I'm assuming by bridging 8 and 10 is enabling component output?
I just got this to work
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ShadoX1/DSC02591.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ShadoX1/DSC02591.jpg)
I just got the paperclips in there and attached the wires to em...but this is very temporary...whats the risk of this catching fire or fry the wii or something...(none of it is touching or anything and its not being moved)
Hey Everyone,
Thanks to the information in this forum and Wiki I was able to perform the paper clip mod no problem on my composite cable.
For those of you that are still having problems performing this mod I have compiled an article outlining the steps I took. All the information has been gathered from this forum. I tried to include as many pictures as I could.
http://www.tdficq.com/wii_component_cable (http://www.tdficq.com/wii_component_cable)
Hope this helps.
Thanks again to everyone for all their hard work.
Hm, I don't know if anyone has considered this, but the european Wii needs to support YUV as well, since that's what LCD-TV's have as input. I think there would be a lot of dissatisfied Wii owners if yuv was removed in favor of rgb.
Has anyone ever (successfully) tried a progressive RGB signal from scart?
My (uneducated) 2 cents.
QuoteI removed my video composite pin and put it in 7, removed red and white ground pins and put them in 9 and 11. I cut up some spare RCA's to connect the ground from the original nintendo audio cables to the positive of my RCA's and I get nothing period, not even a black and white picture. Do you have to put a paperclip in 8 and 10 to even test? I'm assuming by bridging 8 and 10 is enabling component output?
Even if pin 8 and 10 are not shorted correctly you'll still get a picture but only if your Y cable on pin 7 is making good contact.
This question is for justinjas, or anyone who has successfully grounded the Y cable...
Did you just use a paperclip extension from one of the ground pins (i.e. 12) to the ground of the Y cable?
Thanks.
Maybe it's just me, but I can't get the paper clips secure enough to hold the connection for more than a few seconds, anyone have any tips?
QuoteDid you just use a paperclip extension from one of the ground pins (i.e. 12) to the ground of the Y cable?
Hey, actually I didn't add any other pins than the ones listed. For the ground connector I took the Y ground and added it to a ground that was already coming out of the connector. This seemed to be the easiest since the black wire coming out already a nice solder dot on it.
QuoteMaybe it's just me, but I can't get the paper clips secure enough to hold the connection for more than a few seconds, anyone have any tips?
I think I used larger paper clips than others here. Mine fit pretty snug. Also I didn't really have it sticking up much but maybe bent slightly at the front of the paper clip. For me though once I got it making a connection, I added super glue to the back of the connector to keep the paper clips in place. This seemed to offer stability to the paper clips.
QuoteMaybe it's just me, but I can't get the paper clips secure enough to hold the connection for more than a few seconds, anyone have any tips?
Make sure you make the bend notch at the entry point. This will make the clip fit snug as well as make proper contact. The image below is an example of how I got mine to work. The upper point of the bend is where the contact is made. Make sure that bend is facing towards the center.
(http://www.tdficq.com/files/images/lead.preview.jpg)
(http://www.tdficq.com/files/images/fetch_0.preview.gif)
tkamen: great work on that page. I'm going to put a link to it on the wiki and the first post of this thread. I might also mirror it, with your permission.
Well, I had Y plugged into the Pr on my tv for some reason so I fixed that problem. It's running great now. The 8 to 10 bridge didn't take long at all.
Guys, I need some schematics... I suck at this kind of stuff and would really like to use the component cables, without paying a whopping $150 for them on eBay <_<.
I looked at tkamen's link but I'm still too ignorant to understand anything :(.
Thanks...
P.S. Why do you guys use paper clips if you could just solder a wire to make a connection?
Thanks for the tips. Having some problems jumping 8 and 10. I've inserted a bent paper clip into both pretty deep but nothing happens. I'd be very grateful if someone could explain the exact process of inserting and depressing the PINs for someone with no experience.
Do I have to pull the composite out for it to work? I didn't pull it out and it isn't working, so I'm hoping that the problem lies in there.
oh btw, the stupid jacket DID come off easy! I took the advice of several people here and slid two flat head screw drivers down either side and it really did slide right off! haha, I couldn't believe it :P
Okay guys I need some help with this thing....My friend and I got it to work on his console just fine...but Im home now and im trying to do it on mine... the problem is when I try to bridge 8 and 10 I loose both sound and video, but when I pull the clip out I get both back...from what I understand and from the way it worked with his I should only loose video correct? Whats wrong?
This work work for me. I put the paperclips in 7,9,11 also 8 & 10. When I jumper 8 and 10 together the composite video stops.
When I then jumper the paperclips in 7, 9 & 11 to the cables I cut up- all I can manage to get is a distorted picture, bad colors, distorted geometry, weird lines etc... I have been messing around this this for hours. Any ideas?
The best I can get is garbled video, weird lines, bad colors, bad geometry. I have been at this for hours.
okay got the sound issue worked out....actually i just moved on and it ended up working! Thing ive noticed on mine and my buddy's though is if you dont ground at least one wire you get a green fuzz around the edges.
(http://www.russellbeattie.com/images/wiiplug.jpg)
Hey All,
After trying to modify the composite cable and only getting b&w images, and generally worrying about screwing up my Wii or cable completely, I decided to figure out a way to create my own composite plug to insert into the video socket instead.
I got it working last night, so I created a little print-out template and some basic instructions that you can read here (http://www.russellbeattie.com/wii.html).
Thanks to the guys who figured out all the details!
-Russ
Excellent tutorial Russel -
To clarify -
You are still using your existing Wii cables for ground?
or - Do you have a "finished" photo of your cables connected to your homebrew connector?
QuoteI just made my own mod using the pinouts provided. An easier way was to use the Wii Composite cable, use the 3-rca connectors as your Y, Pb, Pr. Crack open the black part of the connector out, just by sticking a flat head screwdriver in between the gray and black and pry out. Then use a sewing NEEDLE to poke into the front part of the connector to pull out the pins carefully. After all the pins are out of the connector, use the NEEDLE to make the little locking pin stick back up a little bit so when you put the pins in it's hole, it will stay put.
Just rearrange the pins to the correct holes using the diagram provided here. I had to connect all 3 ground, but I get Black and White video. I haven't connected audio yet. But doing this way seems alot easier than the Alligator clips and Paperclips. The secret tool is the NEEDLE!
So if someone can solve my Black and White issue, then this could be the most easiest cable mod I've made for a console. Last time I made a vga cable for the gamecube with success and then sold on ebay.
Well I tried this needle trick and it isn't working. The only thing the needle is doing is going in between that notch in the pin and nothing else. It isn't releasing a locking pin or anything. What exactly did you do? Because you couldn't of just poked into the front part of the connector like you said. Or maybe you are using a larger sewing needle?
Hey, is this correct?
(http://eclipse-designs.us/schematics.gif)
does anyone know if gamestop has the regular composite cables in stock? i was looking for a more permanent solution so i decided i can just buy a second set of composites and slip them in with their clips into the available holes for a more sturdy and clean cable. i tried with my gamecubes wires but their metal tips are thicker then the wii's so i couldt get them to "slide" in.
It's mentioned earlier in the thread, but could it be the case that if you don't bridge pins 8 and 10, pins 7, 9 and 11 are actually outputting RGB? I only have a vague understanding of component video, but if you fed one of the RGB channels into the component luma channel it'd give you a black and white image, wouldn't it?
I'm just wondering if it's worth me trying to build a SCART lead for my imported US Wii, rather than suffering composite until the official leads to come out over here.
Umm...Could anyone please help me with the drawing I posted above?
Thanks.
QuoteIt's mentioned earlier in the thread, but could it be the case that if you don't bridge pins 8 and 10, pins 7, 9 and 11 are actually outputting RGB? I only have a vague understanding of component video, but if you fed one of the RGB channels into the component luma channel it'd give you a black and white image, wouldn't it?
No, RGB fed into a component video device would result in a mostly-green image, with very dark reds and blues (Assuming you mapped green->green, anyway).
QuoteUmm...Could anyone please help me with the drawing I posted above?
Why? You've taking a known good pinout and, what, redrawn it? Why can't you check your own work? What part is confusing you?
You're asking random people to pull up two webpages and double-check the work of a stranger. Normally around here we don't do your work for you, without a good reason. Offer one up, or get to checking it yourself. =)
Never mind everything I've been asking about! I got it to work! WHOOHOOO! and the thing is stable! It doesn't flicker or anything! I don't know if anyone else thought about this, but I flattened the paper clips with a hammer and then bent them so that they would make contact.
Btw, Would the picture be better if I grounded each signal cable to different grounds? Right now I'm just using the ground for the composite signal cable and it is working, but I don't know if it would be a better picture if I grounded them separately.
Regardless, here are some pictures of my final work!
http://70.47.107.196/files/yay01.jpg (http://70.47.107.196/files/yay01.jpg)
http://70.47.107.196/files/yay02.jpg (http://70.47.107.196/files/yay02.jpg)
Thank you all! I'm so glad I gave this another shot :)
QuoteQuoteUmm...Could anyone please help me with the drawing I posted above?
Why? You've taking a known good pinout and, what, redrawn it? Why can't you check your own work? What part is confusing you?
You're asking random people to pull up two webpages and double-check the work of a stranger. Normally around here we don't do your work for you, without a good reason. Offer one up, or get to checking it yourself. =)
Unfortunately, I do not have a Wii yet so I can't try anything out myself. I just want to make sure that by the time I get one I'll be able to use it at its full capabilities by making myself some component cables.
As for the pin out, what's so bad about redrawing it? I'm just trying to make things look clear. Why are you saying that I'm asking people to do my work? I would just like it if someone commented my drawing, by telling me if its right or wrong.
I never asked anyone to double check the work of a stranger or to pull up random web pages... What are you talking about?
Anyways, here's another drawing I made. Hope this one is correct (if the other one wasn't).
(http://eclipse-designs.us/less.gif)
Thanks :)
I performed the mod on mine just a little while ago. The hardest part for me was getting the friggin cable opened up..after that it was smooth sailing. One slightly loose connection but I don't move things around much anyway, so no problem. One thing, though, I seem to have a bit of a shadow, it's easily noticable when you look at the "2006" at the bottom of the title screen. I didn't ground any of the 3 outputs, would grounding them help, or is it noise that I'm just going to have to live with until I get the real thing?
Wow,
Rakien that's a sweet little drawing you did. Looks like it's correct to me. Would you allow me to use this on my site for my tutorial?
QuoteWow,
Rakien that's a sweet little drawing you did. Looks like it's correct to me. Would you allow me to use this on my site for my tutorial?
Sure, here's an updated version:
(http://eclipse-designs.us/schematic2.gif)
You can use it as long as you give me some recognition ;).
Quote(http://www.russellbeattie.com/images/wiiplug.jpg)
Hey All,
After trying to modify the composite cable and only getting b&w images, and generally worrying about screwing up my Wii or cable completely, I decided to figure out a way to create my own composite plug to insert into the video socket instead.
I got it working last night, so I created a little print-out template and some basic instructions that you can read here (http://www.russellbeattie.com/wii.html).
Thanks to the guys who figured out all the details!
-Russ
Russel, I tried making your plug. Just to check that the audio was going right, I inserted the plug in with only the Audio Left wire in (plus grounded) and it created a bunch of static. I tried moving my plug but the Wii mysteriously shut off. :o
Good thing everything was still working, but I threw my plug in the trash to avoid any damage.
I think I'll settle for buying the component cables instead.
QuoteAs for the pin out, what's so bad about redrawing it?
Nothing, it's very good work.
QuoteWhy are you saying that I'm asking people to do my work?
'cause you are.
QuoteI would just like it if someone commented my drawing, by telling me if its right or wrong.
That's the part where you asked other people to do your work.
QuoteI never asked anyone to double check the work of a stranger or to pull up random web pages... What are you talking about?
It's exactly what you did. If anyone wanted to check it (And I can only assume you wanted people to check its accuracy) they'd have to pull up the wiki page or another forum page to see the pinout we have here and compare it against yours to check your connections.
I'm not sure why this is so complicated.
I'm also not sure why you ignored pins 15 and 16.
Quotemassive quote deleted
Ok, well I'm sorry then.
Your post count has to reach at least 200 before you're allowed to be lazy. ;)
When you reach my post count you can pretty much turn your brain off and ride on the accomplishments of others.
It's pretty sweet.
Lawrence, you gave Rakien a hard time for asking a few questions? What a good Administrator you are......
QuoteLawrence, you gave Rakien a hard time for asking a few questions? What a good Administrator you are......
zOMFG, an unregistered newb has a critique! I must quickly give his comment the weight it deserves!
We have had, historically speaking, a massive problem with people who would rather ask than think. Rakien did some great work with his image, but asked what I considered to be a silly question, so I called him on it.
You, on the other hand, appear to have nothing to offer the conversation. Thanks though for gracing us with your thoughts.
Actually, now that I think about it, I have no idea what your point is. Was your first question rhetorical, or are you just an idiot and you're not sure? Sarcasm doesn't travel well on forums, so I dunno about the second statement either - are you actually telling me I'm a good admin? If so, thanks! I'll give your comment the weight it deserves.
To all the people asking whether or not they should connect the grounds... YES, connecting the shielding grounds on your video cables can only improve image quality and reduce interference. Quit being lazy and just do it!
So if we just get the info on the other pins then maybe i can make myself a s-video cabel by using my old gamecube one?
I live in a PAL country but i have ordered a us-wii.
What i really want is to have a RGB-scart because i have no component in on my television. I made the gamecube-rgbscart mod and its so sweet, im hoping something similar will happen on the wii.
As soon as the rgb-scart is released here i will get it and open it up and see what i can find out. (because i dont think it will work right away) Is there someway i could damage the wii if the cable out of the box doesnt work?
In the meantime im waiting for my wii to clear customs and im hoping the get it to work with s-video soon, i just dont know where to start.
I just wanted to post a thank you to everyone who worked on the pinout and guides for this.
I created mine last night and it was VERY EASY, thanks to the great work of others. With my $4 worth of crocodile clips and paper clips I was able to complete the entire mod in about 20 minutes and it works perfectly. It's really nice to see Zelda in 480p on my 42inch widescreen HDTV ;-D
Also for those attempting this, please note that I found that grounding the Y cable to one of the exisiting grounds GREATLY improves the picture quality, before I did that I was a little disspointed with it. But thankfully that lasted about 30 seconds until a remembered that I hadn't grounded the cables yet. I grounded all of them but it only seemed to matter that the Y was grounded.
Here's my personal guide to make things easier for newbies, use this as a basic outline along with the other awesome guides.
First get the wires ready and take the back off the Wii composite cable. Make your paperclips ready for inserting into the Wii cable connector and plug it into the back of the Wii. Turn the Wii on.
1. With the composite cables in attempt to get your bridge connected first. Once it's connected the image will drop out and you will know it's working, then you can plug it into a component in on your TV.
2. Next attempt to do the Y cable, that way you will know the connection is working right away because you will get a black and white image.
3. Then attempt your CR and CB cables, you will see the colours come in as soon as you get each one in right.
4. Now add a connection to the ground and connect the ground from at least the Y cable.
DONE!
For those still unsure about attempting this, let me say that it's a LOT easier than you probably think. Don't be scared away by the pictures that make it look really messy.
It's essentially as easy as sticking a paperclip in a hole and attaching a wire to it and then repeat X 3.
Good luck!
Parabolee
www.flat-life.com
Here's my final Wii CC. No paperclips, No alligator clips. Just rearranged all I used pins from an old gamecube s-video cable to jump 8 and 10, and it's red and white for audio. The rest of the pins are straight from the Wii composite cable. I may have wired the audio part wrong, I wasn't getting any sound trying to ground the red and white but when I attached both the red and white sire to the corner pin, I got sound left and right...it maybe mono, though still sound good. So I just cut off the audio ground wires, didn't need them.
As I said before in my previous post under name "RP", I only needed a flat head screwdriver to pry off the casing, and used a sewing needle to poke the Wii cable pins out without breaking them, keeping the locking tabs in place. And a soldering iron.
Overall I think it's cleaner and more stable than the paperclip method. If you have the 3 tools mentioned above, you can do this too.
And here's a closer pic.
Nice looking mod, tequila. Looks a lot better than the mess of the other pictures.
Now that the component cabling is out of the way, it's been figured out, what I want to know is this:
Is it possible to get VGA? That would be the pinnacle of video, and I wonder if it's even possible.
There's still quite a few pins that have no apparent use at the moment, I'm sure they're used for something. Maybe a similar design like the Gamecube VGA box can be used?
Just some things to think about, my component cables are coming some time this week :D
QuoteSo if we just get the info on the other pins then maybe i can make myself a s-video cabel by using my old gamecube one?
I live in a PAL country but i have ordered a us-wii.
What i really want is to have a RGB-scart because i have no component in on my television. I made the gamecube-rgbscart mod and its so sweet, im hoping something similar will happen on the wii.
As soon as the rgb-scart is released here i will get it and open it up and see what i can find out. (because i dont think it will work right away) Is there someway i could damage the wii if the cable out of the box doesnt work?
In the meantime im waiting for my wii to clear customs and im hoping the get it to work with s-video soon, i just dont know where to start.
Does anyone who understands the pin output on the American Wii know if it supports RGB natively like the PAL GC? I'm thinking about importing an American Wii too, and it would be handy if the cable worked by default. Of course, I'll be coming here if it doesn't... ;)
I think you should ground all cables. Even if you don't, the signal will find its way to ground, but it's no good that way. If you just connect the hot wire on your component cables, the signal will make its way to your TV and pick up earth-ground there. That leaves is susceptible to all sorts of noise and attenuation. So it's best to ground each wire individually, even if you tie them all to the same ground on the Wii A/V connector.
Does anyone who understands the pin output on the American Wii know if it supports RGB natively like the PAL GC? I'm thinking about importing an American Wii too, and it would be handy if the cable worked by default. Of course, I'll be coming here if it doesn't... ;)
Hey guys, quick question. Somebody earlier suggested that somebody try using the pins from the RF adaptor for post-NES Nintendo systems. I happen to have one on hand... However, I've never really done any complicated mods before. So here's the question. The pins go into the PCB, and come out through the other side, where they are soldered in. So if I want to get to the pins, do I just use a soldering gun and... well, de-solder the solder until the pins get loose?
I just tried this mod right now and it didn't go so well. Instead of a paperclip, I used thick buswire and some pins I salvaged off a solder-cup connector I had lying around. I soldered the buswire into the pin and connected a multimeter to it. I went to pin 4 (+5V) of the Wii cable. It was a sketchy connection at best. The 5V was fading in and out as I moved the wire around and I was never able to get a solid connection.
I'm giving up for the night and I'll see if I can find some viable paperclips at work tomorrow :ph34r:
QuoteHey guys, quick question. Somebody earlier suggested that somebody try using the pins from the RF adaptor for post-NES Nintendo systems. I happen to have one on hand... However, I've never really done any complicated mods before. So here's the question. The pins go into the PCB, and come out through the other side, where they are soldered in. So if I want to get to the pins, do I just use a soldering gun and... well, de-solder the solder until the pins get loose?
Yeah, you can grab one end of the pin with some needlenose pliers and just apply heat until the solder starts to flow.. then just pull the pin out. Let us know how those pins work out.
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Oh, I forgot to as in my previous post .. How far do you push the staple in? Each slot in the Wii connector has a small recess then it slants up. Do your paperclips just sit in the recess or do they come up and stick out a bit? Do they line up with the real pins in there?
"Hey guys, quick question. Somebody earlier suggested that somebody try using the pins from the RF adaptor for post-NES Nintendo systems. I happen to have one on hand... However, I've never really done any complicated mods before. So here's the question. The pins go into the PCB, and come out through the other side, where they are soldered in. So if I want to get to the pins, do I just use a soldering gun and... well, de-solder the solder until the pins get loose?"
Yes, you need to desolder the plug from the board in order to get at the pins. You use the same method to remove these pins as you would the pins out of the standard Nintendo Composite Video cables.
QuoteQuoteWow,
Rakien that's a sweet little drawing you did. Looks like it's correct to me. Would you allow me to use this on my site for my tutorial?
Sure, here's an updated version:
(http://eclipse-designs.us/schematic2.gif)
You can use it as long as you give me some recognition ;).
Hey Rakien and tkamen,
How about you give ME the recognition!! I'm the one who posted the info in the first place! ;) AND created the pin out diagram that you so blatantly ripped off!
hey everyone, i've been trying this mod for a few hours without success and i realized.... i don't think the cable you all are showing is the one shipped with my system, i got a us release wii on launch day at a very trusted gamestop (i worked there for 2 years) on the east coast. anyway, i made a diagram showing how my cable compares to the one shown in the picture on page 1.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/TallgeeseIIII/cables.jpg)
i would have just taken a picture but everything i took was too blurry.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWow,
Rakien that's a sweet little drawing you did. Looks like it's correct to me. Would you allow me to use this on my site for my tutorial?
Sure, here's an updated version:
(http://eclipse-designs.us/schematic2.gif)
You can use it as long as you give me some recognition ;).
Hey Rakien and tkamen,
How about you give ME the recognition!! I'm the one who posted the info in the first place! ;) AND created the pin out diagram that you so blatantly ripped off!
Actualy, I got the pin out from this site here (http://pages.justinjas.com/). If it belongs to you fine, if not well I guess you're out of luck... ;)
Yeah, that site rips the pinout from my wiki, which is based on info from RGB32E and dustinh2k.
You're still missing 15/16 from your diagram, BTW. ;)
QuoteYeah, that site rips the pinout from my wiki, which is based on info from RGB32E.
You're still missing 15/16 from your diagram, BTW. ;)
Rakien, nope, I'm not out of luck... you are just mistaken...! :rolleyes:
Quotehey everyone, i've been trying this mod for a few hours without success and i realized.... i don't think the cable you all are showing is the one shipped with my system, i got a us release wii on launch day at a very trusted gamestop (i worked there for 2 years) on the east coast. anyway, i made a diagram showing how my cable compares to the one shown in the picture on page 1.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/TallgeeseIIII/cables.jpg)
i would have just taken a picture but everything i took was too blurry.
The connector you're referring to as "yours" is actually the official component cable, not the composite cable that shipped with the system. RGB32E was trying to pass along the information since they're hard to come by right now. Your composite cable matches the composite cable pinout posted by dustinh2k further down the first page (only having pins 1-3, 5, 6, and 12).
On another note, Nintendo finally decided to ship my component cable a day after I got the mod working...figures. <_<
Corrected me if I'm wrong, but Y (luminance) is the same for both component and s-video, right? So all we need for s-video is to figure out which of the unknown pins is C (chrominance). Anyone checked the rest of the pins yet? If not I might could.
Also, since the Wii only outputs Y when 8 and 10 are jumpered...couldn't that mean that when they aren't jumpered, those same pins are being used for something else (such as RGBS)? Any ideas on how to determine which pins are which other than just random trial and error?
I'm really tempted to try and figure out VGA now :)
As long as you avoid the pins known to output crazy voltages (5V/12V) you should be save to just start probing around to see what you get.
I look forward to your results!!
Alright, I'm REALLY having trouble getting this to work on my monitor. When you turn on prog scan, is there a confirmation screen? (I can't see until it's on :/)
Alright, I'm getting SOMETHING now, instead of the monitor just staying in sleep mode I'm getting an 'out of range' message.
I can take the Wii to work and use a scope to start looking for the chrominance pin. Anyone know what the signal should look like or will it just be random data?
I figured I would help out with the people who are trying to achieve a component connection. Though this may not be an issue for most of you that are posting. The lurkers on the other hand are probably not aware. At first I, like most people was having trouble depinning the Wii A/V connector. RP mention this method but really didn't explain exactly how to do it so I decided there needs to be an end all be all diagram. So here is my contribution to the thread.
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9927/depinningnintendowiiavpae0.th.png) (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=depinningnintendowiiavpae0.png)
First thing: the Y pin works whether 8-10 are jumpered or not, I don't know if that's already been said. So, 8-10 ONLY have to be connected for progressive scan enabling.
Anyway, I tried different pins this morning and the only way I could get color is to connect the C pin to the composite pin. Perhaps they meant to do it this way for s-video?
From here: http://lyberty.com/encyc/articles/svideo.html (http://lyberty.com/encyc/articles/svideo.html)
"While the luminance performance of S-Video compares favorably to analog component video, the chrominance performance�aside from reduced crosstalk�does not show notable improvement over composite video."
I could have missed something, so someone may want to double check those extra pins if you're hoping for a dedicated C channel.
Pin 10 shows 3.3 volts (just noting this in case anyone was wondering which of the mode pins has voltage).
Pins 4 and 13 both showed voltage corresponding to the pinout posted on the wiki (just confirming - I checked those to see if my paper clips were connecting well).
Still don't know what 14-16 are, though. Still hoping they're RGB. If I steal the sync signals from a computer's video port (set at the right res, of course) and use RGB from the Wii, would that give me VGA output? I googled it but haven't seen it done.
QuoteStill don't know what 14-16 are, though. Still hoping they're RGB. If I steal the sync signals from a computer's video port (set at the right res, of course) and use RGB from the Wii, would that give me VGA output? I googled it but haven't seen it done.
I'd highly recommend ordering a Component cable from Nintendo, and a VDigi VD-Z3 component to vga transcoder. No modding involved!!! That way you'll have VGA output (assuming the system is running in 480p mode).
Nintendo Component Cable:
http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/store...rencyPreference (http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?currency=USD&storeId=10001&jspStoreDir=NOASTORE&productId=117711&categoryId=63205&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&ddkey=SetCurrencyPreference)
RGB Transcoder:
http://cgi.ebay.com/VDigi-VD-Z3-component-...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/VDigi-VD-Z3-component-to-vga-transcoder_W0QQitemZ130052257447QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64631QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
;)
Well, yeah, I *could* do that...but that wouldn't be any fun! ;)
My official component cable should be here tomorrow. I only want to see if VGA is possible because I like poking around. :)
if it's indeed 480p, and has RGB out, it will be VGA spec...
has no one found the "C" for Svideo yet? I still think it's active somewhere in Composite mode.. (why the Y is still active)
Quote(http://www.russellbeattie.com/images/wiiplug.jpg)
Hey All,
After trying to modify the composite cable and only getting b&w images, and generally worrying about screwing up my Wii or cable completely, I decided to figure out a way to create my own composite plug to insert into the video socket instead.
I got it working last night, so I created a little print-out template and some basic instructions that you can read here (http://www.russellbeattie.com/wii.html).
Thanks to the guys who figured out all the details!
-Ru
I Tried Russ' method using his template, and it works great!! ill post some pictures later.
Great job! Thanks man!
I'd really like an S-Video cable for the Wii. I should have the Japanese released one within the next 2-3 weeks! The US release of Nintendo's S-Video cable won't be until Feb '07. However, I'm fortunate enough to have a TV with an awesome comb filter (KV-32XBR100), so I don't get the crummy picture that most people have (even with most HDTVs - think samsung :P ).
Even the HDTV Nintendo uses in their store displays have a shitty comb filter (they are using composite video instead of component). So, dot crawl runs rampant! On my TV, any static graphics exhibit no dot crawl, minimal otherwise! Its ironic that I'm one of the first consumers to obtain a Wii Component cable, yet I have to connect it through my Faroudja LD100 to use it (for another gaming setup)! Or buy a Transcoder (for VGA ouput). Oh well! :P
first off, thanks for all the great info.
I have it all up and running using the paperclip method, but i am getting a noticeable amount of interference / static in my picture. I know im nitpicking a bit, but if anyone has some tips on how to eliminate that interference, ill be all set!
Thanks in advance.
$4 and no paperclips needed
I made one last night - was browsing radioshack and they had a multiconsole av cable (gamecube,ps,xbox) on clearance for $4 - figured from among the 3 connectors I should be able to find pins that would fit adequately in the wii - the gamecube ones were to wide... but the xbox pins worked fine (a tad on the skinny size - but with a proper bend at the end - even had some already jumpered (for use with pins 8&10)
The color coding in the adapter was logical as well
red was for right audio
white was for left audio
yellow for composite
black for ground
so after putting in the pins I was able to use the composite and audio pins on the multiadapter for my Y, Pb and Pr and just a single aligator clip for the ground
so quite cheap and easy for those that can't wait for official cables
Hey. I spent like 3-4 hours reading every single post on this thread last night. I'm pretty clear on how it works, now. I do, however have a few questions.
1. If I use the paper clip method to add makeshift pins, what are my risks of destroying my wii/television/cable if I'm careful enough not to be stupid. I refuse to move pins because that means dealing with fragile, irreplacable objects and I'm bad with those kinds of things. I'll settle for composite before taking that kind of risk.
2. On the pin out there are two pins I have not heard mentioned here. +5VDC and +12VDC. What do they do, and do I have to worry about it? (Even if I don't, tell me I'm curious.) I'm new to console mods, in fact this will be my first mod/hack ever. I do, however, think I can do it but I want to know every aspect about this first.
3. WTF will this do? I understand that it makes graphics get better, but I'm not too sure how. Does it increase the poly count somehow? Anti aliasing on? Anything of that sort? (New to HDTV, too only HD device I have is my comcast box and I can't figure out how to change the resolution from 1080i.
4. Any more news on what pins 14, 15, and 16 are for? I may be able to get my hands on an official component cable is there anything I can do on that front?
5. Is there any other way I can get pins that fit? I thought it'd be pretty cool if I could get all the connections done cleanly and bring back the plastic casing stretching the very end and have a very clean looking wii component cable. Also, if there is a source of fitting pins, would I be able to make component cables by replacing the pins in a SNES or whatever the cables with the right sized plastic were? (I smell an ebay money maker.)
I had some more but I can't remember so this is plenty for now, thank you all!
QuoteQuoteStill don't know what 14-16 are, though. Still hoping they're RGB. If I steal the sync signals from a computer's video port (set at the right res, of course) and use RGB from the Wii, would that give me VGA output? I googled it but haven't seen it done.
I'd highly recommend ordering a Component cable from Nintendo, and a VDigi VD-Z3 component to vga transcoder. No modding involved!!! That way you'll have VGA output (assuming the system is running in 480p mode).
Nintendo Component Cable:
http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/store...rencyPreference (http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?currency=USD&storeId=10001&jspStoreDir=NOASTORE&productId=117711&categoryId=63205&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&ddkey=SetCurrencyPreference)
RGB Transcoder:
http://cgi.ebay.com/VDigi-VD-Z3-component-...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/VDigi-VD-Z3-component-to-vga-transcoder_W0QQitemZ130052257447QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64631QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
;)
That's the exact thing I'm trying to use, actually. Except without the official component cable. I tried for hours last night, nothing seemed to work. :(
Hey, thanks for figuring those pins out guys, the paper clip method worked like a charm for me.
You guys rock.
Well, I tried to check out the rest of the pins, but unfortunately I couldn't get my Wii back into progressive scan mode...once I pulled out the jumper between 8 and 10 I couldn't get it jumped again.
Anyone have any opinion on whether s-video grabs the chroma info straight from the composite? It seems like a quick and dirty way to do it...but I couldn't find it otherwise. Could have been loose connections on my paperclips, though.
MasamuneX,
Excellent diagram, that is very helpful! Thanks!
Rabid Ferrets of DOOM!!&,
To answer your question #3, read Lawrence's excellent video primer at:
http://atarilabs.com/meat/2000/1201_videoprimer.shtml (http://atarilabs.com/meat/2000/1201_videoprimer.shtml)
*Reading this should be a prerequisite to entering this forum!
Quote$4 and no paperclips needed
I made one last night - was browsing radioshack and they had a multiconsole av cable (gamecube,ps,xbox) on clearance for $4 - figured from among the 3 connectors I should be able to find pins that would fit adequately in the wii - the gamecube ones were to wide... but the xbox pins worked fine (a tad on the skinny size - but with a proper bend at the end - even had some already jumpered (for use with pins 8&10)
The color coding in the adapter was logical as well
red was for right audio
white was for left audio
yellow for composite
black for ground
so after putting in the pins I was able to use the composite and audio pins on the multiadapter for my Y, Pb and Pr and just a single aligator clip for the ground
so quite cheap and easy for those that can't wait for official cables
Can anyone confirm this?
If so, can you put up the brand that the cable was since third party cables are will have different pins than standard ones, with has pins that are proprietary to nintendo/sony/microsoft. I've been trying to find pins that are similar enough so I can have a clean build that is sturdy enough to be permanent. If a brand has a cable with pins like that I'm sure we'd all love to hear about it.
I can confirm that the pins from an original Xbox would fit the bill however, the ones that I pulled out of my MadCats multi av cord were far too short to manage IMHO. Just stick with the Acco #1 size paper clips.
I'll post brand of the universal cable I used from radio shack - later
I'm guessing it this one:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.js...rentPage=family (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2123202&cp=2032062.2032403.2032410.2032414&pg=3&parentPage=family)
as the price is right - and I don't recall it being one of the larger 3rd party names ie madcatz, pelican, or intec
course without a pic I can't confrim so the link is next to worthless
Also I don't think this makes the best permanent solution:
1st - xbox pins are on the thin side and have fair amount of "wobble" perhaps some glue/epoxy would keep 'em in line.
2nd its a universal cable - so you still got gamecube and playstation connection hanging around - could cut'em off... I guess
But for me this works
1. cheap
2. ease of setup - fewer inter-connects to make - less aligator clips - less worry about unwanted contacts being made
longest/hardest part was getting into the xbox connector and removing the pins - these guys kept the pins in with glue/expoxy - so you gotta peal that off - but then the pins were cheap (no locking prongs) so they slid sraight back out of the xbox connector.
Looks like the gamecube av pins are best - but too wide for wii - thinking of shaving them down to size for a more permanent connection - but that would mean stop playing with my wii at 480p!
perhaps I'll experiment more when my wii elbow starts acting up
I just made the paper template version.. took me about 3 hours, the wire I was using was a little too thick... but It worked great the 1st time... with the exception I currently only have one channel audio.... but this is a temp fix until the real cable comes out anyhow.... I admittedly gave less attention to the audio wiring...
I do believe that I can improve on this plug.. It takes patence to get it right, and THANKS A TON for the template... what a life saver...
for others trying this.. here are a few tips.. Remember to read the official unofficial guide.. this is a suppliment...
I used electrical tape instead of scotch... (that's for drink'n)
go ahead and do the plastic reinforcement before starting on lining up the wires on the template... the flimsyness of the paper is one of the biggest problems.
depending on the wire that you're using, you may need to cut some of the braids out of it... my wire was thick, I think about 8 braids... I found that 3 braids of this wire lay out to exactly the size of the black lines on the template.. at any rate.. don't try to stuff more wires onto that line than will fit.. In fact, I probably would have had an easier time with just one, or two braids...
cut very thin strips of electical tape.. tape each wire in at least two places for stability... I did this one wire at a time... if you try to do all the wires at once you will fail. once a wire is pretty much where you need it, tape it well.. you don't want to have to re-do it..
After all of your wires are in place, AND properly alligned, cover as much of the plug in electrical tape as you can, wraping it over the wires, and around the back.. the only part of the wire that needs to be exposed are the raised leads that you've created. I suggest pressing the tape firmly down between wires with the dull side of an exacto blade, or tweasers to make sure you get a good stick.
At this point you should be running low on scotch, and getting very anxious to plug it in, and go... Slow down. building the leads is time consuming... but if you mess it up now, there won't be any saving the plug...
Remove your Wii from its home, and take it to a bright place (unplugged) to do your test fitting.. do one side at a time, plug it in, or trim it so that it can be plugged in, and watch your audio leads (pins 1-2) if you can see the lead of top of Wii side, you can line up the bottome of your plug with that..
once you're sure that the leads are lining up properly, go ahead and stick in both sides at once... ensure that they're lined up perfectly, and tape it together.. (make sure that you have a way to identify the mess of wires sticking out of your newly made plug)
pull out your plug, look at the lead end of your new plug, and make sure that your leads line up.. pins 1-2 should be perfectly on top of each other, as should 7-8 & 9-10.. if all that checks out, you can be reasonably sure that the plug is good...
Lastly, hook up the cables to the new plug.. use those cool pinch connectors if you have them.. if not, then at least tape up the twisted together wires... souder is good too :) a good connection here is paramount for quality... we have HD tvs... quality matters. And don't skimp on the ground.
Plug it into your wii.. checking alignment one more time, then plug it in!
If something isn't right at 1st, check your connections.. especially if you've done the twisted wire technique... with proper attention, the plug should be the last thing that could go wrong...
I may make another one for a friend... if I do, I'll take pics this time... Next time, I will cut a "U" at the top of the folded paper template and run the wires strait out the back...
update for the brand of universal A/V adapter I used from radio shack
It a radio-shack branded one! (Why they don't have a picture of their branded product...?)
anyway its in a oval shaped plastic container - the bottom of which has orange paper proudly decaling it to be a
"Universal S-AV Cable
For Playstation2, PSX,
Xbox or GameCube"
has the id # of "26-897"
Thanks for this hack. I did it last night and it was actually pretty easy. The only thing that I'm still a little confused about is grounding the Y wire, but after reading more on here and seeing a couple more pictures, I think I know what to do now.
I do have a question. On all of the games everything looks really awesome except for the moving objects. For instance, on zelda all of the scenery looks great, but link himself looks almost TOO high def. anybody know what I'm saying? he looks all jaggedy. do I need to turn down the sharpness on my tv or is that just something that I have to deal with? blurry link with blurry background or jaggedy link with crisp background . . . ? hmmm. decisions decisions.
Emily, you're observing a phenomenon similar to what you might see with RGB output on a first-edition Playstation. Many games of the 32-bit era had graphics whose shortcomings were hidden or otherwise covered up by the limitations of video output. Using a sharper, more precise output method would reveal these graphical flaws very clearly (like using a mesh instead of transparency, or dithering in place of a distinct color.)
I imagine that some games on the Wii will have the same type of output. More precise doesn't always equate to better-looking. You should go to the GamesX front page and read the video and RGB primers if you're interested in the science behind color and resolution.
-KKC
Hey everyone,
I was trying to work on this mod last night, and ran into an issue with fitting the paperclips - now it appears I can't get any video from the system!! When i just try using the regular cable now, it seems that I see a black signal with a little fuzz, but no picture shows. Audio still works fine, but yeah, I'm an idiot.
My question is this - how likely is it that the problem is on the Wii itself as opposed to me botching the pins in the composite cable? I'm wondering if I screwed up the system completely (by shorting it or something), rather than me just messing with the metal contacts, etc. Any help, suggestions (short of calling Nintendo to get it repaired) would be appreciated.
Thanks!
This is my first post to this forum, but I was able to get the paper-clip method to work on my system last night...I just had to say a sincere "thank you" to everyone who helped figure this out!
For some reason I had the toughest time with the8-10 jumper clip, but after that everything went smoothly. I'd say it took a total of about an hour to 1.5 hours...far less time than I spent looking online and calling everywhere!
QuoteEmily, you're observing a phenomenon similar to what you might see with RGB output on a first-edition Playstation. Many games of the 32-bit era had graphics whose shortcomings were hidden or otherwise covered up by the limitations of video output. Using a sharper, more precise output method would reveal these graphical flaws very clearly (like using a mesh instead of transparency, or dithering in place of a distinct color.)
I imagine that some games on the Wii will have the same type of output. More precise doesn't always equate to better-looking. You should go to the GamesX front page and read the video and RGB primers if you're interested in the science behind color and resolution.
-KKC
Thanks for explaining this, KKC. I appreciate it.
Another question (just so that I'm thinking this through correctly): when I'm grounding my wire, I am going to connect the ground wire from my component cables to an exposed part of one of the ground (black) wires in the original composite cable. The only ground wire that I can really reach (slot 12) has a tiny soldered portion that I CAN ground, but it's difficult to do it without touching the paper clip (bridge in 8 & 10) right below it. should I strip away some of the insulation on that wire and ground that? I just don't want to do anything that is going to zap my wii to smithereens. ;)
QuoteHey everyone,
I was trying to work on this mod last night, and ran into an issue with fitting the paperclips - now it appears I can't get any video from the system!! When i just try using the regular cable now, it seems that I see a black signal with a little fuzz, but no picture shows. Audio still works fine, but yeah, I'm an idiot.
My question is this - how likely is it that the problem is on the Wii itself as opposed to me botching the pins in the composite cable? I'm wondering if I screwed up the system completely (by shorting it or something), rather than me just messing with the metal contacts, etc. Any help, suggestions (short of calling Nintendo to get it repaired) would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Have you removed all of the paper clips you tried to insert? If pins 8 and 10 are connected you'll get no signal from the composite output, but still get sound.
If that's not the case, just visually inspect the pins on the composite connector and see if they're bent or otherwise damaged, shorted together, etc. If not, take a flashlight and look at the connector on the back of the wii for any damage or shorts.
If you take a look and you aren't sure, take a picture of the back of the connector (so we can see the pins) and we'll see if we can help you. It seems like it'd be difficult to actually screw up the system with this mod. I accidentally crossed two lines I wasn't supposed to and all it did was shut down the Wii, I just had to unplug it for a minute before turning it on again.
QuoteAnother question (just so that I'm thinking this through correctly): when I'm grounding my wire, I am going to connect the ground wire from my component cables to an exposed part of one of the ground (black) wires in the original composite cable. The only ground wire that I can really reach (slot 12) has a tiny soldered portion that I CAN ground, but it's difficult to do it without touching the paper clip (bridge in 8 & 10) right below it. should I strip away some of the insulation on that wire and ground that? I just don't want to do anything that is going to zap my wii to smithereens. ;)
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If that's an RCA adapter, the () is the round outside...you'll notice it's metal. That's what the ground is connected to...so I just took an alligator clip, clipped it to that (being sure the clip didn't touch the center lead) on the composite video that wasn't connected and attached that to ground on the Y.
Not the most elegant solution...but hey, we're using paper clips for pins, so why not? ;)
can someone post picture of their version russell's DIY wii component plug. I'm trying so hard and my colours arnt comming on properly.
P.S. 8 and 10 are working because i can select HDTV in the settings option
I have the gamecube componet cables,does anyone knows a way to mod it to the wii?
Thanks For the mod. I did it last night only took me about 10min prep and 5 more to actually implement. Worked like a charm first time and I was able to move the system. Just make sure you bend you paperclips and they will fit snug. Thanks again
Thanx works great
@h8eight
I'm in the process of making Russel's connector, but mine is a bit more elaborate. I'm taking pictures as I go along and I'll post them all soon.
thanks ^^^
GUys I've tried for like an hour with wires, paperclips and everything I can think of to jumper the 8 & 10 but no matter what I do the connection doesn't go out.
I don't even see any metal pins in there, is it possible my chord has no pins there or something? Some guy earlier in the thread posted a mine and yours pic and maybe mine is like that?
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QuoteQuoteHey everyone,
I was trying to work on this mod last night, and ran into an issue with fitting the paperclips - now it appears I can't get any video from the system!! When i just try using the regular cable now, it seems that I see a black signal with a little fuzz, but no picture shows. Audio still works fine, but yeah, I'm an idiot.
My question is this - how likely is it that the problem is on the Wii itself as opposed to me botching the pins in the composite cable? I'm wondering if I screwed up the system completely (by shorting it or something), rather than me just messing with the metal contacts, etc. Any help, suggestions (short of calling Nintendo to get it repaired) would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Have you removed all of the paper clips you tried to insert? If pins 8 and 10 are connected you'll get no signal from the composite output, but still get sound.
If that's not the case, just visually inspect the pins on the composite connector and see if they're bent or otherwise damaged, shorted together, etc. If not, take a flashlight and look at the connector on the back of the wii for any damage or shorts.
If you take a look and you aren't sure, take a picture of the back of the connector (so we can see the pins) and we'll see if we can help you. It seems like it'd be difficult to actually screw up the system with this mod. I accidentally crossed two lines I wasn't supposed to and all it did was shut down the Wii, I just had to unplug it for a minute before turning it on again.
Thanks for the advice - I figured out the problem...turns out the TV input got screwed up, not the Wii!! Once I moved the cables to a different video input, it all worked fine. Unfortunately, this means my tv is slightly busted, but I can live with that for now I guess.
Anyways, fair warning to all trying this mod - you can potentially damage your console and/or TV set!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the voltages are used in this manner:
+12V is used as the switching voltage in the scart connector.
At a certain voltage (below 9V I think), it makes the tv automatically switch to the AV-channel (scart socket) that the unit, in this case the Wii, is plugged into. That way you don't have to switch to it yourself. Thats why as soon as you turn on your scart-connected dvd player for example, the tv swiches to that input.
At another voltage, (a bit above 9V I believe) it makes the tv switch to either 16x9 or 4x3. The aspect ratio doesn't change if you have an old 4x3-set though but all widescreens support it.
+5V is used to notify the tv what signal its fed. RGB is one voltage, S-video is a second, composite video is a third. If this wire is cut, most tv's will refuse to show the RGB-picture and instead show the blurry composite version.
In reality, the scart usually transmits either composite or RGB video. S-video is virtually non-existant [in Europe] since RGB provides a much sharper picture through the same connector.
I have an original XBOX 1 cable which I can cut open. I read on another forum that the pins from this cable could be used as pins in the Wii composite cable so that no paperclips are needed. can't find the forum anymore, anyone wanna help me out?
@ RGB32E
Since you live near NOA can I send you some paypal cash and you pick up a cable for me?
QuoteI'll post brand of the universal cable I used from radio shack - later
I'm guessing it this one:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.js...rentPage=family (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2123202&cp=2032062.2032403.2032410.2032414&pg=3&parentPage=family)
as the price is right - and I don't recall it being one of the larger 3rd party names ie madcatz, pelican, or intec
course without a pic I can't confrim so the link is next to worthless
Also I don't think this makes the best permanent solution:
1st - xbox pins are on the thin side and have fair amount of "wobble" perhaps some glue/epoxy would keep 'em in line.
2nd its a universal cable - so you still got gamecube and playstation connection hanging around - could cut'em off... I guess
But for me this works
1. cheap
2. ease of setup - fewer inter-connects to make - less aligator clips - less worry about unwanted contacts being made
longest/hardest part was getting into the xbox connector and removing the pins - these guys kept the pins in with glue/expoxy - so you gotta peal that off - but then the pins were cheap (no locking prongs) so they slid sraight back out of the xbox connector.
Looks like the gamecube av pins are best - but too wide for wii - thinking of shaving them down to size for a more permanent connection - but that would mean stop playing with my wii at 480p!
perhaps I'll experiment more when my wii elbow starts acting up
can you explain me how to do please? I have the xbox connector...doew it fit perfectly in the av wii connector? it seems very strange for me....
Quotehas no one found the "C" for Svideo yet? I still think it's active somewhere in Composite mode.. (why the Y is still active)
The S-video info is on page 2 of this thread, about 3/4 of the way down.
And people, please don't rip apart your GameCube component cables. You can sell them for good money on Ebay to someone who needs this limited stock item, and just get some regular cables to hack apart. The GC component cable includes a D/A converter in the plug, if you didn't know this already.
1. I don't see any definitive S-video info on that page, just theories and ideas. If you want to refer to a specific post, please link directly to it instead of vaguely waving your hand and saying 'over there somewhere'.
2. I can't speak for the other people on this forum, but I sacrifice gamecube component cables all the time. I bought 20 of them for $5 each in Japan from ToysRUs a few years ago. As for it having a built-in DAC, believe me, we know. =)
I was doing some testing with my Wii the other night, connecting the Y, Pb, Pr pins to the RGB inputs on my tv in various combinations. I discovered that with pins 8 & 10 NOT jumpered, pin 7 still outputs the Y signal, but pin 9 outputs a signal that appears to be Chroma, rather than Pb.
I don't have a TV with S-Video inputs to test this further, so perhaps someone else could try this. Again, that is 8&10 not jumpered, 7-Y, 9-C. Of course make sure to connect pin 12 (video ground) to the shielding on your S-video cable.
QuoteI discovered that with pins 8 & 10 NOT jumpered, pin 7 still outputs the Y signal, but pin 9 outputs a signal that appears to be Chroma, rather than Pb.
I was doing the same over the weekend and it looked like that to me too, but I didn't actually hook it up to an svideo input to be sure. I couldn't find RGB outputs though, annoyingly. I didn't get anything that looked like video from the last three pins. So either the US Wii doesn't output RGB or there are more mode select settings that we don't know about yet. Or I just wasn't making a connection.
The only thing I thought I might try was testing the remaining pins with capacitors rather than wiring them straight into the SCART plug. I wasn't sure what you'd expect to see if it needed capacitors but they weren't there. Would it just be a black screen?
QuoteQuoteI'll post brand of the universal cable I used from radio shack - later
I'm guessing it this one:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.js...rentPage=family (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2123202&cp=2032062.2032403.2032410.2032414&pg=3&parentPage=family)
as the price is right - and I don't recall it being one of the larger 3rd party names ie madcatz, pelican, or intec
course without a pic I can't confrim so the link is next to worthless
Also I don't think this makes the best permanent solution:
1st - xbox pins are on the thin side and have fair amount of "wobble" perhaps some glue/epoxy would keep 'em in line.
2nd its a universal cable - so you still got gamecube and playstation connection hanging around - could cut'em off... I guess
But for me this works
1. cheap
2. ease of setup - fewer inter-connects to make - less aligator clips - less worry about unwanted contacts being made
longest/hardest part was getting into the xbox connector and removing the pins - these guys kept the pins in with glue/expoxy - so you gotta peal that off - but then the pins were cheap (no locking prongs) so they slid sraight back out of the xbox connector.
Looks like the gamecube av pins are best - but too wide for wii - thinking of shaving them down to size for a more permanent connection - but that would mean stop playing with my wii at 480p!
perhaps I'll experiment more when my wii elbow starts acting up
can you explain me how to do please? I have the xbox connector...doew it fit perfectly in the av wii connector? it seems very strange for me....
please can you help me.... :(
Quote@ RGB32E
Since you live near NOA can I send you some paypal cash and you pick up a cable for me?
I'd need to check to see if they even have any available. I bought mine on 11/16/06 (and created this thread)... I'm not using the one I bought... :P What's your price?
I have in my hands a japanese S-Video cable. I'll take pictures of the pins tonight.
I'm trying to make russell's component plug because i ruined by composite cables by making the component cable. Anyways, yeah so i had some success. Now when i had it ready to go i pluged the y cable and the black and white image was there but it was fuzzy and scrambled, then i tried yb and pb and my end result either came blueish or yellowish but now i can see the picture clearly but there is some fuz but that will be corrected with the ground. My question is that i did not have 8 & 10 jumpered so will that solve the problem and will all my colours show?
I just wanted to say that I successfully constructed a component cable using the paper clip method and an old set of RCA cords. I just soldered directly to the paper clips, only took about 2 hours or so. I used hot glue to reinforce the cord.
Hi All
Here's my (yet untested) solution for a Wii component cable. Thanks to all you guys who made this possible.
I've built this one using (I think) a plug from an old 5�-inch minifloppy (5.25-inch floppy) drive cable, and some RCA cables (one Nintendo composite and a generic audio cable). I saw off most of the floppy plug on all four sides, it doesn't look much like the original :-). It should also be possible to use a part of an ISA slot from an old motherboard. I used the same type of plug for a nicely fitting Gamecube RGB cable. It sure is nicer than the paper clip method :-)
I'll test it in about 24 hours as soon as I get my Wii at a midnight launch party (launch is on 7th December here in Switzerland).
Pictures:
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7079/wiicomponentcable1is6.th.jpg) (http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7079/wiicomponentcable1is6.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3716/wiicomponentcable2lv1.th.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3716/wiicomponentcable2lv1.jpg)
Thanks again,
Barna
QuoteQuote@ RGB32E
Since you live near NOA can I send you some paypal cash and you pick up a cable for me?
I'd need to check to see if they even have any available. I bought mine on 11/16/06 (and created this thread)... I'm not using the one I bought... :P What's your price?
Lol are you running an auction now?
I'm not really looking to buy your only cable at an inflated price. If NOA has some in stock and you were to go down and pick me up one, I'd pay for the cable, shipping and some extra for your troubles.
Get me on AIM (syzygy350z) and we can talk.
QuoteI have in my hands a japanese S-Video cable. I'll take pictures of the pins tonight.
Can you get ahold of a multimeter and trace to where the pins go?
Nintendo has stock of the component cable. Just go to store.nintendo.com and order one... less trouble for you and me. I was just kidding about selling the cable! :P
Thanks everybody for the useful information. I build my own component video cable last night.
Just like what acem77 did, I was intended to use the original pins, but turns out I broke 3 pins out of 6 of the originals.
instead of using paper clips, I took the pins found from a XBOX composite cable.
The length and the size of the xbox pins are very close to the originals, with a little effort to adjust the curve it will fit into the Wii socket quite well.
I also added a mode switch into the cable, in the hope that someone will get the S-Video pinout soon for a further modification.
Please keep up the good work! :)
(http://www.ccpa.info/neko/upload/wii-1.jpg)
(http://www.ccpa.info/neko/upload/xbox-1.jpg)
(http://www.ccpa.info/neko/upload/xbox-2.jpg)
(http://www.ccpa.info/neko/upload/wii-2.jpg)
(http://www.ccpa.info/neko/upload/wii-3.jpg)
(http://www.ccpa.info/neko/upload/wii-4.jpg)
QuoteI was doing some testing with my Wii the other night, connecting the Y, Pb, Pr pins to the RGB inputs on my tv in various combinations. I discovered that with pins 8 & 10 NOT jumpered, pin 7 still outputs the Y signal, but pin 9 outputs a signal that appears to be Chroma, rather than Pb.
I don't have a TV with S-Video inputs to test this further, so perhaps someone else could try this. Again, that is 8&10 not jumpered, 7-Y, 9-C. Of course make sure to connect pin 12 (video ground) to the shielding on your S-video cable.
Pin 9 IS Chroma for S-Video. I wish I'd caught that myself. And here I had settled for stealing my color off of the composite signal. Things are looking pretty good now.
Found this, can anyone confirm that it works???
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/453/wiisvideopinoutgh9.th.jpg) (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiisvideopinoutgh9.jpg)
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w...eopinoutgh9.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiisvideopinoutgh9.jpg)
One of the tenets of GameSX, Seemore, is doing your own research. If you'd checked the wiki (http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout) you'd see that the pinout confirms the one you posted.
I tried to make the s-video cable but i dunno if im gonna be able to get it working.
Imho it is nearly impossible to move a pin inside the plug. I dont understand how you guys make it? It took me half an hour to get 2 out and then i tried to insert 1 into slot 7 and it broke directly.
The second one wont slide in right no matter what i do.
I underestimated how hard it was to move pins. Kudos to you who can pull it off.
:(
QuoteOne of the tenets of GameSX, Seemore, is doing your own research. If you'd checked the wiki (http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout) you'd see that the pinout confirms the one you posted.
Plain fact:
The attitude you display here has gotten me banned from other forums, Lawrence.
I understand that's not possible here, but with all due respect, you're being a dick, and inviting this by letting non-registered people post here.
Also, when I posted something like that it was in response to sarcasm, veiled insults, BLATANT insults... Not "PUNCH THE NOOB!!!"
Even then, I'm not saying what I'd done is appropriate.
Just that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
QuoteFound this, can anyone confirm that it works???
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/453/wiisvideopinoutgh9.th.jpg) (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiisvideopinoutgh9.jpg)
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w...eopinoutgh9.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiisvideopinoutgh9.jpg)
It works perfectly.
GZeus you're not going to last long around here if you keep up with that attitude. You don't know what you're talking about and should stop looking for a fight.
Your experiences on other forums are irrelevent.
Your opinions on my policies are worthless for the purposes of this discussion thread. If you want to air your beefs, there are places on the forum you can do that.
We do not support lazy people, and it's official policy that people be taught how to fish: we don't give fish away.
I made the s-video cable today. Sorta.
First i tried to use paperclips instead of pins, but after seeing that they made BIG scratches on the conector inside the wii, i tried the folder paper aproach.
I connected 5, 7 and 9, and left the 12 out because i had problems getting connection. I got a too dark picture with much colours altho some crawl but somewhat sharper then the composit.
Now a question: The pins broken on the original composit cable is left ground and video ground. When i connect it i dont get any picture. Do i need video ground to get a pic:mellow:
QuoteGZeus you're not going to last long around here if you keep up with that attitude.
[Massive off-topic whinge moved by NFG. If you want to read it, you can (http://nfggames.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=2435).]
Grr, so close to getting it working with Russell's template. I also tried the paper clip method, but I had green ghosting (probably because I hadn't grounded the cables), and after having accidentally broken off one of the ground connections already I wasn't too keen on messing any further with the one and only working connector that I had, so I put it back together as stock composite.
So I figured Russell's template was a godsend because I could do it without messing up my existing connector at all. I managed to get every color except red to display, but my contact wires weren't secured well enough and when I tried to readjust to get it working everything went downhill from there. Unfortunately by this time it was midnight so I didn't really have time to go back and try again.
Part of my problem was not using a thick enough piece of wire to create the bump so I had trouble getting the wires to contact, but I also couldn't seem to secure the wires well enough so that when I manipulated the other end (say to plug it into my TV) it wouldn't make the connector wires wiggle out of place. Any suggestions? I used the stickiest tape I could find, and it also seemed to help to put little pieces of stripped insulation in between the bare wires to maintain their spacing (the insulation is just about the perfect width to separate the wires right onto each contact).
do these component cables work on a normal crt tvs.
Okay, tried again tonight and got it working...I have no confidence that I'll be able to get it to work again if I take it out, but it should hold me over until I can find some reasonably priced component cables.
Thanks to everyone for all the info.:)
^^ If your CRT is EDTV or HDTV and has component inputs, then yes.
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I ordered component cables from NOA this Monday and they shipped today!
Now I have to wait 5 days for the package to make its way over here
I just spoke to Gamestation (UK) today and they said Nintendo are releasing the RGB Scart cable next Friday (15th). Is there any way of finding the RGB Scart pinout before the cable is released? I'm playing Zelda but the crappy composite picture is annoying the hell out of me. I don't have a component input so I guess I'll have to wait for the s
Scart. I'm going to whip up an S-Video cable now and see how much of an improvement it is over the composite. I'm planning on making a break out box once I know the RGB Scart pinout, may as well put component in it for when I do upgrade. What are the chances of the Wii being able to output VGA (HD-15)? Also, any word on digital audio output?
Cheers for the info and work so far guys :D , I'll post back some comparison pics between the Composite and S-Video.
Jim
(From the wiki)
Two of the remaining pins are probably spoken for by S/PDIF and S-Video chroma
You've found chroma :)
Well, has it been confirmed that the PAL Wii is able to output S-Video ?
PAL GC had RGB, but no SVideo
NTSC GC had Svideo, but no RGB
When looking at cables for Wii available in Europe (no svideo) and in US (no RGB), it seems to be the same for the Wii.
Just made my cable today
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wii480p_02.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wii480p_08.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wii480p_11.jpg)
Used silicon inside the cable and i can unplug and plug the cable as i could when it was untouched.
Some pics from Zelda:TP 480p
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_09.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_01.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_02.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_03.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_04.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_05.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_06.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_07.jpg)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/wii/wiizelda_08.jpg)
QuoteWell, has it been confirmed that the PAL Wii is able to output S-Video ?
PAL GC had RGB, but no SVideo
NTSC GC had Svideo, but no RGB
When looking at cables for Wii available in Europe (no svideo) and in US (no RGB), it seems to be the same for the Wii.
I hoped it would have S-Video, but I made the cable last night and no luck, just a whole lot of blankness :( . It looked so damn good as well! So, looks like Nintendo are skimping on outputs like with the Cube. Shame, but as long as I get my RGB Scart, I'll be ok!
Can anyone point me in the direction of some info that can help be determin what the pins are outputting. Is it a case of measuring voltages and the like or do I need an oscilloscope or something. Or is it just a case of trial and error :D !?!
Cheers
Jim
Hello there is a way to make an rgb cable (With scart) for a pal (ITA) wii?
(http://users.tkk.fi/~dsiponen/wii_rgb_pinout.png)
Can anyone confirm the RGB diagram? Does it work on all Wii systems, or just the PAL ones?
In the RGB pinout posted, the pins for RGB correspond to pins 7, 9, and 11 on the pinout in the wiki. With 8-10 jumpered, they are Y, Pb, and Pr, and with 8-10 not jumpered, we have Y, unknown, and C...so no, this wouldn't work on American Wii consoles. It appears the earlier mentions of trading off SVideo for RGB like the GameCube were correct.
QuoteIn the RGB pinout posted, the pins for RGB correspond to pins 7, 9, and 11 on the pinout in the wiki. With 8-10 jumpered, they are Y, Pb, and Pr, and with 8-10 not jumpered, we have Y, unknown, and C...so no, this wouldn't work on American Wii consoles. It appears the earlier mentions of trading off SVideo for RGB like the GameCube were correct.
Drat... well, that's sad news. How much of a picture drop is RGB to S-Video? I was thinking of importing a US Wii unit.
QuoteIn the RGB pinout posted, the pins for RGB correspond to pins 7, 9, and 11 on the pinout in the wiki. With 8-10 jumpered, they are Y, Pb, and Pr, and with 8-10 not jumpered, we have Y, unknown, and C...so no, this wouldn't work on American Wii consoles.
Duh, should have followed my own advice and checked first. In my defense I'd just woken up Monday morning, so... Not at my best. =)
Thanks antitime.
Unfortunately, I think it means it won't be possible to output VGA (480p in RGB), because 480p is available in bios only when pins 8-10 are connected, and RGB when 8-10 are not connected
Just a quick idea:
I have an old RGB cable from my gamecube.
With a little bit manual modification, the cable could fit right into the Wii-side connector.
Does anyone know if the pinout is compatible?
Maybe there is an easy way to adapt this cable to the Wii
Thanks in advance,
Jochen
Have a look at the two pinout pages, please:
http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout (http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout)
http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:nintendomultiav (http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:nintendomultiav)
Different number of pins, differently-sized pins, and a completely different pinout numbering. No possible compatibility here.
-KKC
QuoteHave a look at the two pinout pages, please:
http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout (http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:wii_multi_av_pinout)
http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:nintendomultiav (http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:nintendomultiav)
Different number of pins, differently-sized pins, and a completely different pinout numbering. No possible compatibility here.
-KKC
You didn't read the forum and the wiki correctly. Of course they are different, Wii has a different connector than the previous Nintendo systems.
Have the NTSC Wii the same Video Encoder Chip like the PAL Wii (Number designation) ? Maybe its is possible to get RGB on a NTSC Wii like the Gamecube YUV-Cable Mod ...
Bye Markus
(http://users.tkk.fi/~dsiponen/wii_rgb_pinout.png)
Indeed, this pinout was discovered by me and I can confirm this as working. I looked at RGB pinout of gamecube and tried to figure wii's rgb pinout. With some testing I found it. And yes, sins R, G and B are in the same place as Y, Pb, Pr (with mode selected), I doubt that NTSC wii has RGB pinout at all. But then again, who cares? I mean, S-video is almost as good as RGB and you cannot tell the difference in normal TV's. Besides, if you have good display or psojector, you should always use Component for progressive scan.
QuoteYou didn't read the forum and the wiki correctly. Of course they are different, Wii has a different connector than the previous Nintendo systems.
You responding to me or to Beders? I was responding to his post asking if the Gamecube RGB cable could be used on the Wii, which it can't. The Gamecube uses the same basic A/V port as the Super Nintendo and the N64 before it, which is a completely different port from the Wii. That was the point I was making by providing the two links.
-KKC
Just incase any of you still want to pick up a standard A/V cable to depin for a DIY component cable please be aware that there are two different Wii standard A/V Composite connectors. The connectors and their pins are physically different thus making them incompatible with each other. So before you snatch one up off of Ebay make sure you know what you are getting before you purchase.
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2375/differentwiiconnectors3ws2.th.jpg) (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=differentwiiconnectors3ws2.jpg)
QuoteQuoteYou didn't read the forum and the wiki correctly. Of course they are different, Wii has a different connector than the previous Nintendo systems.
You responding to me or to Beders? I was responding to his post asking if the Gamecube RGB cable could be used on the Wii, which it can't. The Gamecube uses the same basic A/V port as the Super Nintendo and the N64 before it, which is a completely different port from the Wii. That was the point I was making by providing the two links.
-KKC
Yes, sorry. I was the Guest poster.
QuoteAnd yes, sins R, G and B are in the same place as Y, Pb, Pr (with mode selected), I doubt that NTSC wii has RGB pinout at all. But then again, who cares? I mean, S-video is almost as good as RGB and you cannot tell the difference in normal TV's.
I can wholeheartedly assure you this is not the case - I'd be VERY grateful if you could please let us know what pins of the DAC are connected to the RGB/Component pins of the AV port if you have any notes. I'll gladly do the same on my NTSC unit so we can make a comparison to see if we can tweak it.
Seriously I cant afford a new TV and I cannot stand S-Video, this would help out a lot of people.
QuoteQuoteAnd yes, sins R, G and B are in the same place as Y, Pb, Pr (with mode selected), I doubt that NTSC wii has RGB pinout at all. But then again, who cares? I mean, S-video is almost as good as RGB and you cannot tell the difference in normal TV's.
I can wholeheartedly assure you this is not the case - I'd be VERY grateful if you could please let us know what pins of the DAC are connected to the RGB/Component pins of the AV port if you have any notes. I'll gladly do the same on my NTSC unit so we can make a comparison to see if we can tweak it.
Seriously I cant afford a new TV and I cannot stand S-Video, this would help out a lot of people.
Seconded. I can tell a huge difference between S-Video and RGB scart, and unfortunately, my TV does not have component. If we could figure something out for the NTSC Wii owners here that would be great. :)
I want to have a VGA output, since I don't have any TV with progressive support and preferring to take advantage of the better image quality possible on my computer and gaming system.
I prefer to get a great paronamic 25"+ computer monitor in the future than an expensive HDTV one, I use the computer a lot more than TV (I have my TV near my computer and is 99% of the times for retro and gaming stuff).
Just a curiosity: due to the big lack of Wii consoles in Europe, Nintendo will send systems in Europe and Japan that were to be released in USA. Maybe this is a clue about Nintendo doing an smart manufacturing method and using the same model for all countries, changing the NTSC/PAL output because some kind of firmware used on the Wii system. This can save a lot of money and less problems distributing Wii systems on other world zones depending on the demand, more logistic flexibility and saving money in production ;)
Quote(http://users.tkk.fi/~dsiponen/wii_rgb_pinout.png)
Indeed, this pinout was discovered by me and I can confirm this as working. I looked at RGB pinout of gamecube and tried to figure wii's rgb pinout. With some testing I found it. And yes, sins R, G and B are in the same place as Y, Pb, Pr (with mode selected), I doubt that NTSC wii has RGB pinout at all. But then again, who cares? I mean, S-video is almost as good as RGB and you cannot tell the difference in normal TV's. Besides, if you have good display or psojector, you should always use Component for progressive scan.
Hey there, first of all -- amazing job - i didn't tried it out yet, but i have two questions:
1) Do i really need the 220uF capacitors between RGB and SCART?
2) and secondly, only to get it right, the construction of the RGB cable is actually the same as the component one, just without the bridge from PIN 8 to 10, right?
If i can save some bucks this way, this would be awesome :)
Thanks
Best wishes
Pete
QuoteHey there, first of all -- amazing job - i didn't tried it out yet, but i have two questions:
1) Do i really need the 220uF capacitors between RGB and SCART?
2) and secondly, only to get it right, the construction of the RGB cable is actually the same as the component one, just without the bridge from PIN 8 to 10, right?
If i can save some bucks this way, this would be awesome :)
Thanks
Best wishes
Pete
Hi!
In fact, I'm not sure about those 220uF capacitors. I just looked at PAL GC pinout (and xbox pinout) and there is capacitors in every colour signal so I included them just in case. The pinout might as well be without ANY capacitor or resistor, but I'm not sure since I haven't got my hands on Nintendo's original wii RGB-cable to confirm it. All I can say that this works and most important is that signal levels seems to be correct i.e. Picture is not too bright nor too dark.
You can use component cable, but you still have to include 1 extra wire: Composite signal. Of cource you can do this: buy component cable and rip of composite cable to get nice pin for the modded component cable. Please post results if you get it done. My mod is so fragile that I avoid to touch the wii since I fear it will shortcut some wires. I had to make extra pins from metal wire and the contact is stil poor.
If somebody will figure out GOOD and intuitive method for pins that
1) fits perfectly
2) gives good contact
3) are easy to make
4) does not damage wii contact pins
it would be great. I highly doubt that paperclips will do it (since the space for the individual pin is so large and deep), but somebody prove me wrong.
I was thinking, since we know now all the pins except 14,15 and 16 + we have proof that wii cable capable of digital audio is out there we can now try to decipher that. B)
My gues is that pin14 is "reserved" and pin15 is S/PDIF audio and pin16 is its ground. Or something like that. Also I think that wii's S/PDF is 0V - 5V so that amplifiers (with S/PDIF in) do understand it without problem. (In case you wonder wtf I'm trying to say. Well there is also other type of S/PDIF and its signal is -0.5V - 0.5V and not all amplifiers dont understand that signal [http://www.andrewkilpatrick.org/mind/spdif/])
Does somebody want to test it out? xbox has it and I definitely believe wii has it.
EDIT: Intec component cable has Toslink optical out, so its just optical S/PDIF with optical port and 5V DC supply taken from 5V pin.
Re: SCART Cable
QuoteYou can use component cable, but you still have to include 1 extra wire: Composite signal. Of cource you can do this: buy component cable and rip of composite cable to get nice pin for the modded component cable.
Is the SYNC on RGB over SCART derived from the composite signal or is it something like RGsB where the sync is put on the green signal.
If the latter then the additional composite video lead isn't needed.
Pat
To my knowledge the Sync is derived if there's no seperate sync.
regardless, running the sync into the same place won't matter, as all it would do is try to filter out things that...aren't there.
If anyone wants an actual Wii component cable I have one.
I bought it for my nephew for Christmas, not realizing that he needs an HDTV to use it.
I obviously know nothing about these things, but I have a component cable I can't use so if anyone wants to buy it from me I'll ship it right out. I paid $30 for it direct from Nintendo, so add $10 for shipping and handling.
Julia
Sorry...I forgot to leave an email address...
jvigue@gwi.net
I was wondering, is there really any reason to use the socket of the cable. I wonder if I was to directly contact the cables to the internal connections of the wii (where Im supposed to connect the graphics socket) if I would get picture or if theres some kind of switch inside to check if the cord is plugged... I'm going to try this tonight.
OK, I messed up with pin 13,14 and 15 searching for digital audio. Nope, no sound. I also checked google for that matter and ign claims that wii does not support digital audio. Which is wird because intec sells wii cables with "crystal clead digital audio sound".
My guess is that there is no digital audio for wii, Intec just has made this "pseudo"product before knowing wii's outputs. And when they actually get confirmation from Nintendo, they will just pull this cable from market.
anyone got the D cable already?
today i just bought it.
14, 15, 16 pin are using on it.
but i donno know it can make vga Cable or not......i still trying on it.....
Don't forget that a D-terminal cable is just a fancy component cable. While it may have pins for 14, 15 and 16, I doubt they're used for much.
Or maybe they are! Give us the details! =D
QuoteOK, I messed up with pin 13,14 and 15 searching for digital audio. Nope, no sound. I also checked google for that matter and ign claims that wii does not support digital audio. Which is wird because intec sells wii cables with "crystal clead digital audio sound".
My guess is that there is no digital audio for wii, Intec just has made this "pseudo"product before knowing wii's outputs. And when they actually get confirmation from Nintendo, they will just pull this cable from market.
A couple of nights ago I was looking to see if I could coax SPDIF out if my PAL Wii. I dug out my old dual channel scope and hooked one channel up to my CD player's SPDIF output and then I set about pulling my Wii's composite cable apart so I could probe the 'unknown' pins. Unfortunately I didn't find a signal that was comparable to the output on my CD player. That means that either there is no proper SPDIF output on the Wii and that Intec cable uses a A/D converter (shudders)
OR
the Wii's audio output is controlled in a similar way to the video output (needs a jumper pin?)
OR
Its controlled in software and needs Nintendo to do a firmware update to give us the option
OR
I was doing it wrong! :P
Anyway, I contacted Intec about their cable, asking about the optical output and availability all they said was "It will be available but it'll be released early next year."
QuoteQuote(http://users.tkk.fi/~dsiponen/wii_rgb_pinout.png)
Indeed, this pinout was discovered by me and I can confirm this as working. I looked at RGB pinout of gamecube and tried to figure wii's rgb pinout. With some testing I found it. And yes, sins R, G and B are in the same place as Y, Pb, Pr (with mode selected), I doubt that NTSC wii has RGB pinout at all. But then again, who cares? I mean, S-video is almost as good as RGB and you cannot tell the difference in normal TV's. Besides, if you have good display or psojector, you should always use Component for progressive scan.
Hey there, first of all -- amazing job - i didn't tried it out yet, but i have two questions:
1) Do i really need the 220uF capacitors between RGB and SCART?
I got my RGB 'cable' made just recently and the difference in picture is amazing. Im running my Wii in 60Hz mode and I'm pretty sure its using NTSC rather than PAL60.
Anyway, here it is:
(http://www.jcomcp.plus.com/WiiRGB.jpg)
Im using a different pinout for the 9 pin D connector than the one shown on the GamesX main site. I think it would be quite easy to add a component on/off switch and build a component adapter cable for it. I put a 75Ohm resistor in series on the composite video line and I havn't used capacitors and the picture is spot on.
This is not real. Just started Zelda and my modded sensor bar is broken (other half). I guess I calculated the frontresistor wrongly.
I would be very[/n] appreciated if someone can measure the current flowing in sensor bar when its hooked to wii. Please help me!
Hi
I have a little question - I'm from the pal region (germany) and I got a different composite cable than all of you :(
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5460/picture2uq1.png)
Do you know what exactly I have to do with it? I want a component cable too :unsure:
QuoteDon't forget that a D-terminal cable is just a fancy component cable. While it may have pins for 14, 15 and 16, I doubt they're used for much.
Or maybe they are! Give us the details! =D
i was update some detail at wiki.
um....just try it. i think we cant make vga cable anymore.... :(
because Wii seem havent V Sync and H Sync output..... :huh:
Are anyone trying to figure out if RGB is possible at all on a USA Wii with some hacking of some sorts?
I love RGB, but generally, pal stuff are more expensive and the virtual console-games that was released in europe will get the pal-version for the pal-wii - with the stupid black bars and slowdowns!! ;(
I have no idea what version I should buy right now. =(
I use a tv-tuner card so I am able to take screenshots. The first image below is using the original wii composite into an s-video adapter:
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1961/loztpcompositenf5.jpg)
The image below is using the wii's s-video straight into the s-video port on the tv-tuner card.
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4158/loztpsvideobx3.jpg)
All in all, it is a large improvement, especially on small details like lines and text.
Although the PAL SCART RGB pinout from Scorpius seems to work, has anyone managed to get hold of an official RGB SCART cable to confirm/ compare it? I'm tempted but they're going for silly prices on eBay, and all the shops in my area won't have any until mid January, you have to pre-order them as well! :rolleyes:
QuoteThis is not real. Just started Zelda and my modded sensor bar is broken (other half). I guess I calculated the frontresistor wrongly.
I would be very[/n] appreciated if someone can measure the current flowing in sensor bar when its hooked to wii. Please help me!
What did you do to it and why?
GZEus: I modded the sensor bat to use external power supply, but calculated frontresistor incorrectly. As a result, too much current was flowing, and as you probablt know, LED do not like it. So 1 led got burned. Well now I fixed it, and now there is only 22mA current and all seems to be working well. Before it broke, current was 35mA (way too much for LEDs).
OldGamingfart: I compared the pins for the original and they are identical. Now I just have to convince someone to open the cable and see are there any resistor or capacitors...
QuoteGZEus: I modded the sensor bat to use external power supply, but calculated frontresistor incorrectly. As a result, too much current was flowing, and as you probablt know, LED do not like it. So 1 led got burned. Well now I fixed it, and now there is only 22mA current and all seems to be working well. Before it broke, current was 35mA (way too much for LEDs).
Aaah. I understand.
LEDs can be somewhat frustrating in that respect.
anyone will try?
i havent try it is work or not. but i hope it will work if anyone want to use NTSC RGB cable.
(http://snufkin.i989.net/wii/wii_ntsc_rgb_pinout.png)
and i still keep trying to make VGA cable with D-terminal cable......
if anyone have idea. please share it. :)
Uh whaat? I don't understand, how can this work? A tv never have rgb-input at those connections, havn't it?
He's using the pinout for Japanese RGB, as seen on the Wiki:
http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:japanese_rgb-21 (http://nfggames.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:japanese_rgb-21)
Hello !
I think there is chance that unknown wii AV connector pins are used for D-Tanshi data lines.
For example :
14 Line 1 : 0v=480 lines (525 lines "overscan" and 2,2v=750, 5v=1125 if supported)
15 Line 2 : 0v=60Hz i, 5v=60Hz p
16 Line 3 : 0v=4/3, 5v=16/9 (2,2v=4:3 Leterbox if supported)
Someone have D-Terminal c�ble to see if pins are wired ?
If what TotOOntHeMooN says is correct then I guess the information I have regarding the D-Terminal connector is wrong. The specs I have say that there are only GND pins used to indicate to the TV what modes are being displayed, a simple binary setup for max resolutions.
Interesting.
QuoteIf what TotOOntHeMooN says is correct then I guess the information I have regarding the D-Terminal connector is wrong. The specs I have say that there are only GND pins used to indicate to the TV what modes are being displayed, a simple binary setup for max resolutions.
Interesting.
Does all this recent information mean that there might be some crazy way to get RGB Scart out of the NTSC Wii yet? Here's hoping!
Quote...
Dude, audio ground is supposed to go SCART ground, not the audio left ;)
QuoteHello !
I think there is chance that unknown wii AV connector pins are used for D-Tanshi data lines.
For example :
14 Line 1 : 0v=480 lines (525 lines "overscan" and 2,2v=750, 5v=1125 if supported)
15 Line 2 : 0v=60Hz i, 5v=60Hz p
16 Line 3 : 0v=4/3, 5v=16/9 (2,2v=4:3 Leterbox if supported)
Someone have D-Terminal c�ble to see if pins are wired ?
there are wired. and it should connect to D-Terminal's 8, 9, 11pins. and those are the D-Terminal's data. so i updated it to wiki.....
anyway. i was try to enable p.scan and try to connect that 3pins to vga plug. still fail......
maybe need hardware mod to let vga out avaliable... :(
QuoteQuote...
Dude, audio ground is supposed to go SCART ground, not the audio left ;)
thanks for your infomation. :lol:
success!
ok kinda crappy picture but you can just about see that the 480p mode has been selected
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Mendelbop/wiiscreen2.jpg)
Top view. I finally realized I needed to use the original pins for the 3 video signals and the bridge. So hence my color codings are all over the place (white for y, yeallow for pb, red for pr) and I also had to sacrifice sound pins. Well, I managed to get monoural sound using a paperclip. the blue cable is connected to that clip.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Mendelbop/wiitop2.jpg)
Right side view. The piece of a cdrom cover paper is separating Y and PB lines from shorting out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Mendelbop/wiir2.jpg)
THANKS ALL!
Hello again.
Because I have no PAL Wii and no RGB cable I can't test it, but I think that a way to build VGA cable is :
- Using LM1881 to share Hsync & Vsync from Composite Video
- Using R G B Lines for Video
Off course, Composite line must output signal when progressive scan is enabled.
For enabling RGB on NTSC Wii, I think the only way is to hack the DAC setting into the Wii.
NTSC Wii output S-Video instead off RGB. ("jumper" set ?)
Please, how can I register my account on the board ?
Thanks. :)
QuoteBecause I have no PAL Wii and no RGB cable I can't test it, but I think that a way to build VGA cable is :
- Using LM1881 to share Hsync & Vsync from Composite Video
- Using R G B Lines for Video
Off course, Composite line must output signal when progressive scan is enabled.
As soon as you short 8 & 10 the Wii puts Component video where the RGB used to be, you cannot get progressive RGB from a Wii at this time. So, until this is solved, no VGA.
QuotePlease, how can I register my account on the board ?
Click the 'register' link at the top of the page.
QuoteAs soon as you short 8 & 10 the Wii puts Component video where the RGB used to be, you cannot get progressive RGB from a Wii at this time. So, until this is solved, no VGA.
You think that Progressive Scan only work if YUV is used ? (I don't know, but it's strange)
If pins 14, 15, 16 are D-Terminal data lines, I hope that we can force it.
(why I have no cable to test it :()
I'm sorry, but I got an error when I whant to register my account. :ph34r:
QuoteI'm sorry, but I got an error when I whant to register my account.
If you don't mention what the error IS it can't be FIXED.
If the Wii is anything like the GameCube then progressive will NOT be allowed unless the component cable is used.
QuoteIf the Wii is anything like the GameCube then progressive will NOT be allowed unless the component cable is used.
On GC, You can have progressif scan when Component cable is turned to RGB.
I think that Wii can output progressif scan in RGB too.
I hope to find cables (RGB or best a D-Terminal for data lines) to test some hacks.
QuoteIf you don't mention what the error IS it can't be FIXED
Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help files for more information.
The error returned was:
Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board
Thank you for all ! :)
I've just cracked open my official PAL RGB SCART cable. Here's a pic of the SCART end and the wiring details.
(http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5436/wiirgbscartvs9.jpg)
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7971/wiirgbwiringfixed3rp9.gif)
Hi i've got myself a rgb cable this day, i'm the owner of a pal wii (netherlands)
there are 8 pins inside the cable that's the same number of pins on the cables illustrated
in the modification diagram here so you can build a perfectly good rgb cable from a standard usa cable if you don't own a hdtv, i couldn't do this becausse in this region the standard cables only have 4 pins #$@$%@ so i couldn't save myself 30euro way to much for a stupid cable.
But anyway i want to mod this rbg cable becausse the wii is standing in the living room
sometimes where we have a hdtv, what've read so far the the only thing i have to do is add a bridge between pin 8-10 with a switch and i could for example build a female scart connector with outgoing coax component cables wich should be in place of the rgb pins ?
"You cannot send mail"
I think the forum's got cancer.
QuoteThe error returned was:
Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board
I think it's telling you that you're trying to register using a banned email host, like hotmail or *.ru.
QuoteOn GC, You can have progressif scan when Component cable is turned to RGB.
That's because the GC uses an outboard convertor. The GC knows that a digital cable is plugged in, and enables progressive mode. It does not know whether the final output is RGB or Component. The Wii does, because the convertor is internal.
QuoteI've just cracked open my official PAL RGB SCART cable. Here's a pic of the SCART end and the wiring details.
Outstanding work. Thanks Tak!
Quotewhat've read so far the the only thing i have to do is add a bridge between pin 8-10 with a switch and i could for example build a female scart connector with outgoing coax component cables wich should be in place of the rgb pins ?
That's exactly what you need to do.
woah, you banned a whole country? :o
Quotewoah, you banned a whole country? :o
Dude, I refuse to even click on things *.ru unless I'm linked by a credible source and it's a recent link.
There are horrors on Russian websites that would make gutter slime vomit up something worse....like lawyers...
Just got email from Intec concerning their component cable with optical out:
"I'm sorry but there are no plans on releasing a component cable with an optical audio out. Its a typographical error."
LOL
I don't think you can get optical out from wii, in any way...
does it have digital coax? that can be converted to optical...
QuoteI've just cracked open my official PAL RGB SCART cable. Here's a pic of the SCART end and the wiring details.
(http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/8730/wiirgbwiringfixeduv8.gif)
Thank you very much ! :)
So, there is a mistake on Pin 8 description. (SCART)
4.5V-7V (nominal 6V) means a widescreen (16:9) signal
9.5V-12V (nominal 12V) means a normal (4:3) signal
QuoteThat's because the GC uses an outboard convertor. The GC knows that a digital cable is plugged in, and enables progressive mode. It does not know whether the final output is RGB or Component. The Wii does, because the convertor is internal.
Yes, I know that.
But Wii allow to enable progressif mode on the setting menu. It's not enougth ?
If I understand, it only switch when mode pin are shorted in YUV ? :(
(about my account; I'm using my provider email : totoonthemoon@free.fr)
Quotewhat've read so far the the only thing i have to do is add a bridge between pin 8-10 with a switch and i could for example build a female scart connector with outgoing coax component cables wich should be in place of the rgb pins ?
Yes, it's true.
And... if you switch it after running a game in 480p ? :D
Have you a RGB progressif signal too ??? (test it on a progressif screen only, else you can damage your screen)
I had to ban .ru, a handful of assholes ruined the whole country.
...I guess that could be said of every country. =)
QuoteThank you very much ! :)
So, there is a mistake on Pin 8 description. (SCART)
4.5V-7V (nominal 6V) means a widescreen (16:9) signal
9.5V-12V (nominal 12V) means a normal (4:3) signal
Thanks, fixed. I've put ~6V as I haven't tested the voltage but it should be around that value.
QuoteThanks, fixed. I've put ~6V as I haven't tested the voltage but it should be around that value.
Certainly 5V for 16/9 and 12V for 4/3. ;)
Thanks for the info Tak, at least there's no capacitors to worry about after all :D
QuoteHello again.
Because I have no PAL Wii and no RGB cable I can't test it, but I think that a way to build VGA cable is :
- Using LM1881 to share Hsync & Vsync from Composite Video
- Using R G B Lines for Video
Off course, Composite line must output signal when progressive scan is enabled.
For enabling RGB on NTSC Wii, I think the only way is to hack the DAC setting into the Wii.
NTSC Wii output S-Video instead off RGB. ("jumper" set ?)
Please, how can I register my account on the board ?
Thanks. :)
if use LM1881. how to make it?
i was find that data sheet. but seem very hard to do that. and still need some chip.
if only use LM1881....any chance to do it?
LM1881
1=H Ysnc OUT
2=Sync on Green IN / Composite IN
3=V Ysnc OUT
4=GND
5=burst / back porch out (need to use 0.1uF and 680K resistance?)
6=reset
7=odd / even out
8=+5~12Vcc
forgetting type name...
waiting for your news, TotOOntHeMooN :lol:
Regarding the LM1881, there is a circuit diagram on this page:
http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/lm1881.htm (http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/lm1881.htm)
QuoteRegarding the LM1881, there is a circuit diagram on this page:
http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/lm1881.htm (http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/lm1881.htm)
thanks!
let me try it.
but i need to buy LM1881 1st...
QuoteQuoteRegarding the LM1881, there is a circuit diagram on this page:
http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/lm1881.htm (http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/lm1881.htm)
thanks!
let me try it.
but i need to buy LM1881 1st...
Before buying LM1881, it will be better to test if you can get progressive signal when RGB is enabled. (by switching after geting an YUV 480p signal ?)
QuoteQuoteQuoteRegarding the LM1881, there is a circuit diagram on this page:
http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/lm1881.htm (http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/lm1881.htm)
thanks!
let me try it.
but i need to buy LM1881 1st...
Before buying LM1881, it will be better to test if you can get progressive signal when RGB is enabled. (by switching after geting an YUV 480p signal ?)
thanks.
but i cannot find LM1881 in HK... :(
Hello all,
Don't you think a simple connection from rgb to vga could work with some monitor ?
You can have a look at sync on green monitor list (http://playstation2-linux.com/sog.php) :
QuoteSync-on-green means that instead of using the normal VGA-pins for the horizontal and the vertical sync, the system sends the sync signals over the green pin of the VGA connector. It basically means that the monitor should have a system to separate the sync signals from the green pin and use them accordingly. Now this might seem like a very odd things, but fortunately SUN used sync on green a lot, and therefore there are some monitors that support it.
source (http://playstation2-linux.com/forum/message.php?msg_id=49579)
Using LM1881 would be nice : some info about it (http://f5ad.free.fr/Docs_Composants/LM1881.pdf)
If you want a cheap composite cable to tune your connexion and explose you plug, you can have the original AV cable for wii (http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-39jk-71-10z-49-fr-84-j-70-1rci.html) at playasia :
5$Thanks a lot for all of you who are investigating on this. Perfect cable would be component or vga and spdif audio :D ;)
Quotebut i cannot find LM1881 in HK... :(
You can try with LMH1981 ... Else, you have to search for another "sync separator" chip on Google.
I got few LM1881, but I'm in France.
Hey guys. Back in november I made a component cable with 2 composite cables using a buddies component cable as reference. While i was docuemnting it later I came across the wiki with the pinouts. I used the link in my howto. Just letting you all know. Good work guys, excelent progress.
My howto:
http://f3l1xthecat.blogspot.com/2006/12/ma...ent-cables.html (http://f3l1xthecat.blogspot.com/2006/12/making-practical-wii-component-cables.html)
i've read all the pages on this topic,it's a great job everyone's doing!
now that both component and rgb cables are out let's hope a vga solution will come out soon...otherwise as i see it there are only 2 ways
component cables+vga box
rgb scart+1881 solution..
i bought a rgb pal cable but i dont get 480p -> can i change the cable to be a yuv cable (enable 480p)?
finially i got LM1881N, but i was try it. it cant got any signal when i use it rgb mode..... :(
Quotefinially i got LM1881N, but i was try it. it cant got any signal when i use it rgb mode..... :(
In RGB Mode, Composite line is used for composite sync.
So, you must have a signal.
What is wrong ?
QuoteQuoteThanks, fixed. I've put ~6V as I haven't tested the voltage but it should be around that value.
Certainly 5V for 16/9 and 12V for 4/3. ;)
Have you actually measured this to be correct coming out of your Wii? It's good in theory, but as I couldn't get widescreen switching to work I checked pin 8 on the Scart - it's 12v whether the Wii is outputting 16x9 anamorphic pictures, or 4x3. Is widescreen switching working with you?
QuoteI checked pin 8 on the Scart - it's 12v whether the Wii is outputting 16x9 anamorphic pictures, or 4x3.
You're confused. The CABLE is responsible for adjusting the voltage, the Wii will not do it. No console does, they just provide the voltage for the cable to utilize.
QuoteQuoteI checked pin 8 on the Scart - it's 12v whether the Wii is outputting 16x9 anamorphic pictures, or 4x3.
You're confused. The CABLE is responsible for adjusting the voltage, the Wii will not do it. No console does, they just provide the voltage for the cable to utilize.
Unless I am confused, Wii pin 13 goes straight to scart pin 8 with no aditional electronics in the way. So scart pin 8 will always be 12v if that's all that gets put out of the Wii on pin 13. This is certainly what the diagram on the Wiki shows. If this is correct then pin-8 widescreen switching will not work - the Wii is telling the TV it is outputting 4x3, whether it is outputting that or anamorphic 16x9. This is what I'm seeing from my Wii, which is why I'm asking whether other people are seeing something different.
Cheap DVD players can output the correct voltage widescreen flag, so it's a shame if the Wii doesn't.
Now it may be possible to use Wii data line 3, (pin 16), and some additional components to make pin 8 have the correct flag, but I'm guessing the standard RGB scart cable doesn't even have pin 16 inserted. Also a European Wii may not even have anything coming out of the Wii on pin 16, (Japan only?)
Wii pin 16 = 0V ----> Scart pin 8 = 12V
Wii pin 16 = 5V ----> Scart pin 8 = 6V
QuoteNow it may be possible to use Wii data line 3, (pin 16), and some additional components to make pin 8 have the correct flag...
I've just taken apart the RGB Wii conector, used a pin from the composite connector, (I knew there had to be a use for it :) ), and checked to see what's coming out of Wii pin 16. Sadly, 0V for all aspect ratios on a PAL console, so it looks like that getting my PAL Wii to correctly switch the TV's aspect ratio may not be possible.
Route 2: Drop the 12V going to Scart pin 8 down to 6V, giving a permament 16x9 flag. After all, most Wii games seem to be 16x9, (with the notable exception of VC and most Gamecube games)
I'm still interested to hear if anyone has indeed got widescrenn switching to properly work as there's other ways of doing it, for instance data in the vertical interval - Sony TVs set to "automatic" aspect switching are actually looking here and not at the scart pin 8
I have a question, can i make a component cable from my composite cable in to a VGA conection because i have a Samsung LE19R71B but he don't have an component input? :unsure:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but something I noticed while messing with the paperclip component mod was that you only need the bridge until you set progressive in the menu, once it's set, you can remove the bridge and still get progressive signal. Perhaps this could trigger RGB while in 480p? Once you restart though, you need the bridge again. I'm not too sure about this since I never actually got the paperclip mod to work, but I know it was still in 480p mode even after I removed the jumper. I'm currently using component cables connected to my monitor via a component VGA adapter fyi.
My monitor is sync-on-green-compatible. Does that mean I can just hack up a component cable and it will work?
Sync-On-Green has nothing to do with component, it's just RGB without a separate sync line.
Hello everyone. I am come from china. Just came back from the New Year's day. Tired and don't want to back to work. :lol:
I have a question need help.
I have two area Wii console, EU version and US version. I found EU version cannot ouput s-video signal and US version cannot output scart. I wounder if Wii console got the sample problem with GameCube (NTSC doesn't support scart and PAL doesn't suport s-video). :unsure:
Have a nice day! :)
I've now added a 39k resistor into the red wire on the RGB scart lead - the wire that goes to pin 8 of the scart that is responsible for widescreen switching. This has dropped the the 12v coming from the Wii down to about 6v, so the TV now auto-switches to 16x9.
OK, this still isn't proper widescreen switching, where the Wii would correctly tell the TV the aspect on pin 8, but given that most Wii games are 16x9 anamorphic I think it's better for the TV to initially auto-switch to 16x9, than to 4x3 as it does with the 12v signal that the Wii normally puts on pin 8.
I'm sorry if I missed it, but will the Wii allow the "Gamecube side" to use progressive output as well?
Thank you very much! I think I make you confused, sorry.
Gamecube side: S-video don't suport UK version. I don't know whether Gamecube improve the pinout to support this version console. You know, i am just a beginner in this field. so....
I use the last Wii pinout in S-video cable but it doesn't work for UK version. TV cannot show anything. when i connect scart cable to US verion console, same thing happened. Entire screen shows red color. I tried lots of method, but failed.
So I suspect that UK version Wii console cannot output s-video signal or US version cannot output scart signal (at least there is no +12V in US, right?). But I didn't receive any official information about this.
So .............
Have a nice day!! :)
...Sorry, I worded that a bit funny. What I was trying to say is: Will the wii output progressive video for the gamecube games that support progressivce scan, or will all gamecube be outputted in interlaced mode?
Mario DDR output in progressive scan when played on my Wii
Quote...Sorry, I worded that a bit funny. What I was trying to say is: Will the wii output progressive video for the gamecube games that support progressivce scan, or will all gamecube be outputted in interlaced mode?
the wii will only output progressive scan on gamecube games that normally supported it.
i really wished the wii would make every gamecube game run in progressive scan
:(
Quotethe wii will only output progressive scan on gamecube games that normally supported it.
i really wished the wii would make every gamecube game run in progressive scan
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Thats what I thought, UPS just dropped the cables off... hmm I have 2 hours before I have to goto work! Time for more zelda
QuoteThats what I thought, UPS just dropped the cables off... hmm I have 2 hours before I have to goto work! Time for more zelda
Thank you very much you guys!
I got some information about GameCube: NTSC mode console support S-video but PAL console doesn't. NTSC console is for US and the latter is for US. I know this is very childish. Please don't make fun of me. Haha...... :lol:
I just wondering whether Wii got the same problem.
QuoteQuoteThats what I thought, UPS just dropped the cables off... hmm I have 2 hours before I have to goto work! Time for more zelda
Thank you very much you guys!
I got some information about GameCube: NTSC mode console support S-video but PAL console doesn't. NTSC console is for US and the latter is for US. I know this is very childish. Please don't make fun of me. Haha...... :lol:
I just wondering whether Wii got the same problem.
Sorry, I got something wrong:NTSC console is for US and the latter is for "UK".
Quote...Sorry, I worded that a bit funny. What I was trying to say is: Will the wii output progressive video for the gamecube games that support progressivce scan, or will all gamecube be outputted in interlaced mode?
you need to enable p.scan mode when you loading gc game.
just same with you playing gc. press b button when loading the game....
QuoteQuotefinially i got LM1881N, but i was try it. it cant got any signal when i use it rgb mode..... :(
In RGB Mode, Composite line is used for composite sync.
So, you must have a signal.
What is wrong ?
yes. i was use Composite line to connect to lm1881n. but also no signal for vga...
both i was try my lcdtv and crt monitor.... :(
QuoteI've now added a 39k resistor into the red wire on the RGB scart lead - the wire that goes to pin 8 of the scart that is responsible for widescreen switching. This has dropped the the 12v coming from the Wii down to about 6v, so the TV now auto-switches to 16x9.
OK, this still isn't proper widescreen switching, where the Wii would correctly tell the TV the aspect on pin 8, but given that most Wii games are 16x9 anamorphic I think it's better for the TV to initially auto-switch to 16x9, than to 4x3 as it does with the 12v signal that the Wii normally puts on pin 8.
This is not a reliable way to get ~6 volts to the SCART's CVBS Status pin (8). The input resistance of this pin is defined only as 10k ohms or greater you should use two resistors in a voltage divider configuration to feed this pin.
. (SCART RGB status)
. |
. 2k2 | 2k2
.(Wii +12v) ------RRR-----+-----RRR------ (Ground)2.2k is a good value because it doesn't draw too much current even if loaded with 10k from the SCART, the voltage doesn't fall outside of the spec.
you guys are awesome.
so... maybe this will help someone. just wanna share...
i just got my wii yesterday at lunch. hooked it up to me projector and holy shot it looked like ass. rca video ftl.
so tonight after work i go straight out and grab some component cables. plug it all up and i get.. nothing.
after a lot of swapping it and my dvd drive between my projector and a tube tv in my mame cab with component in, verifying cable and wii are ok, i head to the net.
spent like 2 hours reading and somewhere along the the lines, on here and other random places, i got the feel from the way rgb/vga works compared to the Y/Cr/Cb to try something.
headed back out, plugged wii into tube tv, set it to progressive. screen went blank (it doesnt do progressive). turn it off then moved everything back to my projector and hooked it all back up. turned her and... action :D.
quick check of settings and im still in progressive.
my projector is the infocus X1 that was so popular. i have a component -> vga adapter that i use with my dvd player. it seems that it would not take a signal from the wii (Y/Cb/Cr) but once i put it in progressive the projector took it.
well, hope that means something extra to you guys. i only have zelda with it so as far trying another game and then coming back to a progressive game im not sure of the easiest steps i would need to take. if i switched to the rca plug the went back to the component, im unsure if it would resume progressive automatically, although it seems like once its set in the system settings it will always do that first as long as it detects the component cable.
wow 100,000 + views thats some record that will be hard to beat. :blink:
Don't be too impressed. Since this specific thread was linked on several gaming blogs, the automated spam processes have flagged it as a target. Easily a third of those views aren't likely to be from a human accessing the page.
-KKC, doing fun things with N-gage video.
QuoteI got my RGB 'cable' made just recently and the difference in picture is amazing. Im running my Wii in 60Hz mode and I'm pretty sure its using NTSC rather than PAL60.
Anyway, here it is:
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Im using a different pinout for the 9 pin D connector than the one shown on the GamesX main site. I think it would be quite easy to add a component on/off switch and build a component adapter cable for it. I put a 75Ohm resistor in series on the composite video line and I havn't used capacitors and the picture is spot on.
Can you give please me a schematic of the conections you made???
QuoteDon't be too impressed. Since this specific thread was linked on several gaming blogs, the automated spam processes have flagged it as a target. Easily a third of those views aren't likely to be from a human accessing the page.
-KKC, doing fun things with N-gage video.
still am impressed even for the fact it was link to so many gaming blogs :o .
now for what i am very unimpressed about.... :angry:
damn it nintendo why is 480p still not standared on the wii?!
i just bougth Trauma Center: Second Opinion to find out it was not wide screen or 480p <_< .
then i did some other research to find out the other game i wanted rayman is not.
i think one more i wanted is not also metal slug anthology(still have to check) but i dont care too much i have the aes ver of all metal slugs i just want it mainly for part 6 :(.
Metal Slug has many other issues making it unworthy of a purchase: It doesn't support the digital pad, on the retro pad or the GameCube pads, so you're limited to the analogue. Disgusting, there's no excuse for that.
And yeah, Nintendo could sure do with a little more hi-res gaming.
Hi guys.
Just wondered. I am trying to connect my PAL Wii through S-Video and purchased an aftermarket S-Video cable from Ebay. This did not work and gave me a flickering screen which was B+W.
I came to the conclusion that this was as the cable was meant for a US Wii. This was confirmed by the seller who contacted the cables makers who later refunded me.
My question is I have seen that CD WOW are selling an OFFICIAL S-Video cable for the Wii:
http://www13.cd-wow.com/detail_results_3.p...ct_code=1855464 (http://www13.cd-wow.com/detail_results_3.php?product_code=1855464)
Do you think they have just imported some from the states without doing their research first or do any of you know if this is likely to work?
I just want to know before wasting more time ordering and returning another cable...
Thank you in advance for your time,
Shane
is your tv old? if so. browse the setting on the tv and try to find if you can switch to s-video on that port you are using.
I have a replacement-tv right now.(my tv broke =()
And I plugged in the s-video cable in it and got a b&w image.
I then went to pinouts.ru and looked up s-video. Then i modiefied the s-videocable with the S-Video to Composite video adapter pinout.(http://pinouts.ru/VideoCables/svideo2RCA_pinout.shtml)
I then got color.. i thought.. hmm.. wtf...
so i started looking in the setting of the tv. and apparently you were forced to switch between video and s-video signal in the settings for that port, aswell as the scart-ports.
If i use component video with tv set on s-video i get B&W.
And if i use s-video with tv set on component video i get B&W.
So check if your tv has some settings! :)
QuoteJust wondered. I am trying to connect my PAL Wii through S-Video and purchased an aftermarket S-Video cable from Ebay. This did not work and gave me a flickering screen which was B+W.
Hello,
"PAL" Wii doesn't support S-Video and "NTSC" Wii doesn't support RGB.
The video chip probably have a "factory switch" (resistor ?) to select the mode.
I don't have both Wii to open it and check the configuration.
Sorry...
Thank you for the reply...
I am plugging it into my projector which I believed was NTSC compatible, but as the last unofficial cable did not work I then started thinking the US cable was not compatible with my UK Wii.
So is anyone aware of Nintendo releasing an S-Video cable for the UK Wii yet or is this definately a US cable they are selling in the UK???
Thanks again,
Shane
QuoteSo is anyone aware of Nintendo releasing an S-Video cable for the UK Wii yet or is this definately a US cable they are selling in the UK???
CD WOW is based in China so the S-video cable they are selling is the standard official Japanese one that is only compatible with NTSC machines.
It's unlikely that the PAL Wii supports S-video, since the pinout is now known. I guess there could be a software or unknown mode switch, otherwise an internal mod might be the only solution.
Anyone willing to try out opening the machine and make some experiments about svideo/rgb mode switch? I would, but don't wanna buy a machine until I know if ntsc-model can do rgb. :P
Thanks everybody for contributing to the knowledge shared in this discussion topic. The popularity of this information means that this thread has been linked on Joystiq, Hack-A-Day, Slash/Dot and several other news and blog pages. Unfortunately, this also means that this thread is a frequent target for spam bots and other unsolicited advertising. Therefore, I'll be closing this topic and no further updates will be permitted.
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-KKC