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Need Help Or Info About HDD Format .HDS For Sharp x68000, How Open This And See For Work With This In editdisk (Disk Explorer)?

Hello!
I use and working in emulators from Computer Sharp x68000:
xm6_typeg_332L30_20201231
xm6_typeg_336_20230523
XM6 Pro-68k

My 2 qesutions:
I have already mastered a lot for a very long time and have gradually delved into a lot of things, understood them for myself, discovered them, and figured them out... But there is still something left that I can't figure out on my own...
I barely figured out on my own how to create a Virtual Hard Disk HDD in .HDF format and install and run games from HDD (.HDF) in the xm6_typeg_332L30_20201231 emulator - it wasn't difficult, but I just can't figure out the HDD format (.HDS) - it's easy to create, but not I may not see it through the editdisk program (Disk Explorer), and emulators don't see it - not in DOS, not in shells ala Windows (Human 68k v2.01 (1989) (Sharp - Hudson), what could be the matter? Can you tell me ? I haven't found any information on this on the Internet... Does it need to be formatted somehow or something? After all, when creating an HDD (. HDF) there is Logical Formatting - formatting, when creating .HDS - there is no... It's the same as on modern PCs, you need to start by formatting the Hard Disks before working with them... editdisk (Disk Explorer) after creating .HDS does not open it at all, or rather does not see it... I have not worked with them before... I also opened it through Human 68k HDD and through Human 68k HDD SCSI In the graphical shell (Human 68k v2.01 (1989)(Sharp - Hudson)) - it also doesn't see... I know, about the walking X68000_V4SP2.HDS created by someone with a bunch of games on it - the system sees it, but I wanted to create my own large HDD (.HDS), and work with it, create it - I created it, and then what?
Of course, I inserted it where necessary, I already learned what was what in the meantime... HDD (.HDF) in SASI (Everything is easy and clear there), I created a new HDD (.HDS) in SCSI (Selecting Internal\Internal) Specifying everything correctly in BIOS, well, boot from what\Boot, etc., etc. I have already mastered the basics over time (For a long time...) But with .HDS I still don't understand... :(

Tell me, who knows?
I visited foreign forums, and even Japanese ones, read a lot of information, downloaded thousands of files and programs on Sarp x68000 - all in vain...

In other, simple words, withou big text...
This short question:
How to do, what new, empty HDD (.HDS), which i create in \ by use emulators can be visible and usable in editdisk (Disk Explorer)? For work with it...
Need special programs for formating HDD ( .HDS ) before use it or what? (Then which programs? )
Why emulators have option "Do logical formatting" only for HDD ( .HDF ), and do not have for HDD ( .HDS ) ?

Any ideas, who have information about it?
How creators of popular in internet archives  " X68000 " ; "X68000V4" - " X68000_V4.HDS ", with many games in it on HDD ( .HDS ) , have sucesfull with thsi task? WHat they used for it?

Btw, editdisk (Disk Explorer) opened their X68000_V4.HDS...
My new created by me in Emulators of Sharp x68000 empty HDD ( .HDS ) - no... :(
Any ideas, information, TIP's, Hints?
Need your help, guys... (  Need your information, TIP's, Hints, Tutorials or Lessons )

I want to know, understand, and use HDD ( .HDS ) for - tests, and because this can be have huge sizes of space (Even in Gbs ), much more than  in .HDF ( Which limited just in 40 Mb. )
But, sies not main reason, just want understand - how use .HDS?!
This main, reason, and can't do this task only by myself need your help, who have knows about it and expirence with work with this...

I just know, whta it is possible ( On example with X68000_V4.HDS by developers of this ), just not know how...
Need your help, guys...

2.:
I also remembered the second question:
How to reconfigure controls for 2 players on one keyboard? It only worked out halfway... It was on the xm6_typeg_332L30_20201231 emulator, and it was on this version, because there are 2 Ports with 00 JoyKeys, customizable for 2 players, it is possible on the same keyboard! Only I haven't figured out how to make different arrows yet, but I was able to reassign the buttons to JoyKey Devices A btn.1 Port 1-1 A Button btn 2 Port 1-2 B Button and Devices B btn.1 Port 2-1 A Button btn 2 Port 2-2 B Button, all this gives me in one of the fighting games, different buttons for two players, on one PC keyboard! But, so far I can't reassign the arrows, no matter how hard I tried, and whatever I downloaded, even a certain Joyport U-kun, it is available, by the way, in the latest version (As of today, October 2023, when I am typing this text) of the xm6_typeg_336_20230523 emulator, but there for some reason the usual 00 JoyKeys are not available, it says not found, or the required resources are not available (for some reason) (A required resource was unavailable), although I downloaded a lot, a lot from different sites, even from Japanese ones, from Japanese developers, and from the authors themselves - just a lot of time...
For now, here are 2 questions for experts - people who know, have information, knowledge and experience in this, I'm getting used to the rest, I'm still delving into it on my own, and gradually, step by step, slowly I'm studying everything, experimenting, something new for myself I open it, it opens, and something happens in the knowledge of these old Japanese Sharp x68000 Computers...

P.S.:
I managed to launch games from the Japanese Computer Sharp x68000 on MAME right away...
There, different controls on one keyboard from a PC for two players are easily customizable, and everything else... Everything there is easy, simple, and not interesting...
I would like to fully understand the emulators:
xm6_typeg_332L30_20201231
xm6_typeg_336_20230523
XM6 Pro-68k

Hi, have you tried loading the .hds in disk explorer and under type select the last option which should be x68000 scsi as the disk type? Not at my computer at the moment but can try to help more later.

If you're moving files between hdd images you are better off mounting both in xm6 and transferring files using human68k.

incrediblehark, hello!
Yes i have chosed both options in Disc Explorer, and my new HDD ( .HDS ), can't be opened, i mean Disc Explorer can see .HDS, but after when i try open it, then message No Disc...
(https://i.ibb.co/qrnPJbz/image.png)

With X68000_V4SP2.HDS from other authors - all fine, Disc Explorer can open this easy...

I think before need formating this .HDS disk or some, not sure... Then Disc Explorer will be see .HDS
Because after create .HDF we are have option "Do Logical Formatting", when create .HDS - no, and i no idea why... And not know, how we are can formatting .HDS, in full internet information about this 0, Zero, Null. :( I tried search on english, Japanese, etc sites, forums, etc

This second window, and message, always...
(https://i.ibb.co/1qmvNTN/image.png)

And after this, open window, with message "No Disc"...(If chose "Cancel"...
Because, if i try press "Ok", then message will be ask me "Please select a partition", but i no have any for chose... :(
(https://i.ibb.co/HtZ0pMd/image.png)

Btw, in all formats - same...
(https://i.ibb.co/ngtMjSz/image.png)

Hm, but wait a second, before this day(24.10.2023), i never not press yet on "Search" in Disc Explorer, when i press on it, then opens tis window, with this message...
(https://i.ibb.co/r2pB9m3/image.png)

"No IPL Device found in 10MB"
This mean, some BIOS Rom's not have for it or what? I have many IPL BIOS'es ROM's on my PC from Sharp x68000...
But, what for? It is depends?
I thik reason not in BIOS'es... In formatting of .HDS, and what i can't do it... :(

Plus i can open X68000_V4.HDS easy by Disc Explorer, but my new .HDS, no yet...

Ah I see, thanks for the clarification. I use xm6 typeG for my emulator to test images, but I make my .hds image using the built in option in xm6-pro68k. Try that and see if you have better luck with hdd image.

Make the hdd image in xm6-pro68k, then format it in human68k. Should be able to load it up in disk explorer then.

Quote from: incrediblehark on October 25, 2023, 02:28:34 AMthen format it in human68k

Explain, please, how?!
This main, what i was need, and asked...

Make sure your created hds is mounted in xm6. Load the the master disk v3 in floppy drive 0. it will load all scsi drivers for you, then run the FORMAT command and it will allow you to set up the partition. The 1st partition can not exceed 1016mb. Max total size is 3000mb

Quote from: incrediblehark on October 25, 2023, 02:46:00 AMmaster disk v3

Master Disk v3? I still use Master Disc v2...
Can you are share with link on download this, please? ( I was try search after your words, but can't found this in internet... :(  )
If can here or in PM or in Discord maybe? I not sure, in Discord i also Sugo77, but better here, on forum maybe, for someone else can aslo read this our text, and this information can be helpfull for all!
If this allowed on this forum...

Found MasterDisk V3 here...
https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5555.0

P.S.:
Also there, lessons how "Using hard drives which are larger than 1GB"

Good luck, and let us know how it goes!

incrediblehark, check me man, what i was do by myself by logic from my head...
I not complete yet...(And not chcked yet, how this will be works in finall after doing this all points...)
I love do all step by step, and not hurry(Slowly, for understand something), so what i was do step by step for make HDD ( .HDS )?!
1.: Open Emulator XM6 Pro-68k
2.: Chose in options - Tools - Create - Fixed Disc SCSI - HDD ( .HDS ) , with sizes fror tests 100 Mb ( In Fact 99 Mb)
Choose Sizes ( Capacity )
Other Options:
Options Must Be On "Attached to interface." And "Replace First Drive."
Press "OK"
Checking What In Options Of Emulator, In Option SCSI - SCSI Interface - Internal - SCSI Discs ( via SCSI Interface ) - Drives ( 1 ) - ID ( 0 ) - SCSI-HD Image File ( .HDS )
3.: After created HDD ( .HDS ), i opened Emulator XM6 Pro-68k , Options - Floppy Drive #0 - MasterDisk_V3
4.: In DOS , in first i typed Command "FORMAT"
5.: Chosed "SCSI Devices" - Enter - "Hard Disc" - Enter - "Initalise" - Enter ( Y ) - "Create" - Enter - "Size"- Enter - Chosed Sizes ( 99 Mb ), by Typed this in window ( In Down Of The Screen ) - Enter -"Start" - Enter - "Create new partition" - "Y" , and got this results in end:
(https://i.ibb.co/M2pdx89/44444444.png)
6.: "End" - Enter.
7.: Do you want to reset? Most changes to the Partitions need it... Chosed - "Reset" ( By Press "Y" )
Done!

All correct and done?
HDD Disc, with format .HDS - already created, formatted, can be readable now, now must be visible( In Programs \ Utilities \ In Emulators ), and ready to work? ( For example in Disc Explorer )
Correct or something missed up?

P.S.:
And, one more thing... I really like to write a lot and in detail, describing each point in detail... :)

Yes that's right, you should be able to shut down the emulator and then load the HDS in disk explorer (don't do it while xm6 is running the hdd image)

Done!
This now my .HDS !
(https://i.ibb.co/ZfMBCwr/30.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/422KSvK/29.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/0s0Rc1k/28.png)
incrediblehark, thanks for your help with info, you are master in it!
And good, when someone can share own with own knows, and expirince in something...
Btw, i also love use XM6 Type-G

P.S.:
And simple, small question
Volume label name, can be any?

Almost forgot, you are not know about my question 2 something? no - no. maybe this even not possible to do...

Quote from: Sugo77 on October 24, 2023, 08:45:02 PM2.:
I also remembered the second question:
How to reconfigure controls for 2 players on one keyboard? It only worked out halfway... It was on the xm6_typeg_332L30_20201231 emulator, and it was on this version, because there are 2 Ports with 00 JoyKeys, customizable for 2 players, it is possible on the same keyboard! Only I haven't figured out how to make different arrows yet, but I was able to reassign the buttons to JoyKey Devices A btn.1 Port 1-1 A Button btn 2 Port 1-2 B Button and Devices B btn.1 Port 2-1 A Button btn 2 Port 2-2 B Button, all this gives me in one of the fighting games, different buttons for two players, on one PC keyboard! But, so far I can't reassign the arrows, no matter how hard I tried, and whatever I downloaded, even a certain Joyport U-kun, it is available, by the way, in the latest version (As of today, October 2023, when I am typing this text) of the xm6_typeg_336_20230523 emulator, but there for some reason the usual 00 JoyKeys are not available, it says not found, or the required resources are not available (for some reason) (A required resource was unavailable), although I downloaded a lot, a lot from different sites, even from Japanese ones, from Japanese developers, and from the authors themselves - just a lot of time...
For now, here are 2 questions for experts - people who know, have information, knowledge and experience in this, I'm getting used to the rest, I'm still delving into it on my own, and gradually, step by step, slowly I'm studying everything, experimenting, something new for myself I open it, it opens, and something happens in the knowledge of these old Japanese Sharp x68000 Computers...

P.S.:
I managed to launch games from the Japanese Computer Sharp x68000 on MAME right away...
There, different controls on one keyboard from a PC for two players are easily customizable, and everything else... Everything there is easy, simple, and not interesting...

Congrats! Glad you were able to work it out. And yes, volume label can be whatever you want as far as I know.

I'll look into your other question right now and get back to you

EDIT: Didn't find out exactly how to configure 2 joysticks to keyboard commands. It looks like you probably need to edit the xm6g.ini to accomplish this.

incrediblehark, hello again man...
To others question - questions...
You are not know why Disk C HDD ( .HDS ), can't be visible in visual shell ( "Windows" ): Human 68k v2.01 (1989)(Sharp - Hudson) ?
This is possible?
For HDD ( .HDF ), it is work fine!
And in visual shell, how in windows i can work then with .HDF easy, and perfect... But, for .HDS - no... Even can't see...
I do not know why...
Or just because big sizes? Or format .HDS can't be visible in visual shells?

In DOS "Norton Commander" all fine with .HDS, in Windows ( Human 68k v2.01 (1989)(Sharp - Hudson) ) can't see C ( .HDS ), used different settings and BOOT's in BIOS...

P.S.:
I about this:
(https://i.ibb.co/ZM9HN18/2.png)

Is there a specific reason why you're using 2.01 instead of the newest version available?

Quote from: incrediblehark on October 28, 2023, 09:20:53 PMIs there a specific reason why you're using 2.01 instead of the newest version available?

Hm, which new ( Latest ) versions of visual shells ( Windows ) for Sharps?
Me need looks like that or better, if new version available...
(https://i.ibb.co/ZM9HN18/2.png)

P.S.:
I just many years not worked with and not tauch theme SHarp x68000, and not update nothing, main reason... :)
Now again backed to this theme after many years, but with old files, heh...

I can found... But me need understand... Your guesses i can't see HDD ( .HDS ) Disk C, in visual shell, just because old version? Reason in old versions?

Sorry, I was thinking of human68k 3.02, not the visual shell. Did you boot from the floppy or from the hard disk? If you didn't load the shell after booting from the drive and the floppy booted instead, it may not have loaded the hard disk. The link below may help you get the visual shell set up on your system (in Japanese)

https://note.com/uma_japan/n/nb283a861bb5c

Yes, i just downloaded many versions, but only human68k version Human 68k v2.01 (1989)(Sharp - Hudson) have Visual Shell...
I about this:
(https://i.ibb.co/93z4tvZ/3.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/jWgD0Mg/4.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/gMDQWhf/3.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZM9HN18/2.png)

Quote from: incrediblehark on October 28, 2023, 09:56:21 PMSorry, I was thinking of human68k 3.02, not the visual shell. Did you boot from the floppy or from the hard disk? If you didn't load the shell after booting from the drive and the floppy booted instead, it may not have loaded the hard disk. The link below may help you get the visual shell set up on your system (in Japanese)

https://note.com/uma_japan/n/nb283a861bb5c

From both...
First i was do boot from "Mo Driver at First"
Also, after was try booted from .HDS , with Floppy ( With Visual Shell Human 68k v2.01 (1989)(Sharp - Hudson) ) on, but same fail results... :( Disk "C" HDD ( .HDS ) not visible...
Even no idea why...
I thnk, maybe because format .HDS can't be visible in Visual Shells or just because big sizes, but i not sure in it...
No idea... :(

Btw, i try trasnalting this in google chrome:
https://note.com/uma_japan/n/nb283a861bb5c
This is so hard to understand...(Because on japanese, and translator not always correct translate full test, and can lost some correct meanings in translates )

Question 1:
This japanese lesson - tutorial for set up \ configure Visual Shell in new versions of Human68k? For example human68k 3.02? Right?

Question 2:
What is "Gradius disk"? ( Translator auto-translated in lesson on japanese, on some like this word - meaning... ) Even not sure, this correct or no... And where i can found this, if this correct? What this is "Gradius Disk"? First time listen about it...
In internet i can found only game, with this name... :(

I understood something...
This was tutorial just on example, with original game Gradius on Floppy?
Not Gradius 2, not modify Gradius, which i found here?
http://retropc.net/mm/x68k/fw/

First Step:
For begin need original Gradius game on Floppy right?
Also: New HDD ( .HDS )
And human68k 3.02?

I can easy found this.. And i have this all, i thnk...

P.S.:
I think this all canl be helpfull?
https://note.com/search?q=%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%87%E3%82%A3%E3%82%A6%E3%82%B9%E3%83%87%E3%82%A3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AF&context=note&mode=search

Wow, man!
I just found game "Gradius" on floppy in my old collections of games for Sharp x6800, and what i see?! :)
1.:
(https://i.ibb.co/dGwYks6/5.png)
2.:
(https://i.ibb.co/5k7XyDB/6.png)

This is game on visual shell...
But, version of Visual Shell \ Human 68k just 1.00
But, anyway, it is first step, and this what we are need for continue work?

Hm, can't understand anyway... Need lesson, step by step(On english), for get results... :(
I saw, how i can understand they have some HDD .HDS(With game Gradius on this inside or what?), and they something change on it...

The original Gradius disk loads up a visual shell, this is what they are using. If you find that disk, boot from your hard drive and copy the following files from the Gradius disk to your root:

VS.X
TITLE.SYS
ICONDATA.VS
CLIP.VS
NOTE.VS
PHONE.VS

create the following directories on your root of HDD: (mkdir command)
TRASH
NEWDIR

remove the Gradius disk then you should be able to run the visual shell by typing VS at the command prompt on your hard drive.

Later on it explains that if you want to run VS at boot you can add it as SHELL in your CONFIG.SYS

I have this floppy, with game Gradius, with Visual Sheell (Human 68k ) 1.00
Now i just must put this floppy with game Gradius to my HDD ( .HDS )? ( By using  editdisk (Disk Explorer ) )
And in which format .DIM or .XDF? ( I can convert by using vfic )
And after this, i must boot from my HDD ( .HDS )?
All correct or no in this my steps?

Sorry if wrong and maybe "Face Palm' for you are :( , i just not pro in it, but alway try learn and got new expirence and knowdges for be better!

No worries - Do not use disk explorer. You need to boot your hard disk you created in XM6. If you copied system files over during the format then it should be bootable. after it boots, insert your gradius disk (will probably be mapped as B:) copy the files I mentioned in my previous post to your A: drive (the HDD). remove the gradius disk, go to A: and type VS and press enter. should start for you.


EDIT - Just want to add if there is a newer version on a Human68k disk you can probably use the same process to run that version on your drive instead.

Man, i begin form totally start, zero...
For understand for me all, step by step... ( And not hurry for understand something for myself... )
So, in first ( My First Step , Step 1), i maked new HDD ( .HDS ), with name Gradius ( Just For tests ), after i formating this HDD ( .HDS ), and boot from it, i see now this files inside my new HDD ( .HDS ) by use command dir in DOS

All fine on this step yet? :) :)
Next step ( Step 2 ), i must insert Floppy, with game Gradius (With Visual Shell), in Drive 1 ( Not Drive 0 ), right?
(https://i.ibb.co/0Mxkhp5/7.png)

Was in AFK... Now back...
Now to next steps...
I insert Floppy, with game Gradius to Drive 1 ( b ), and try to changing on b, but nothing happens, then i try on C, and found all files, which we are and was need! :)
(https://i.ibb.co/4tvYX8K/8.png)

Now just need copy all files from B ( In fact from C ) to A, right?
By using this command? Copy c;*.* a; ( Copyall not working forr me, just copy,a nd this anywya will eb copy all files...)
(https://i.ibb.co/JqS7yYz/9.png)

Or just need random files copy, about which you are talk before?
Not need copy all files?

But, then by whcih comand?
For example Copy c: VS.X *.* a:

And with others files(From your message) doing same?
All correct?

Sorry for not replying sooner. Yes, you only need the files I listed. The others are related to gradius and other system files.

This okay, i not hurry...

This command will be okay? (For copy just one file, not for all. I just always copy all files myself in old time, when worked with Sharps. Never not copied yet 1 file in DOS. Used just comand, for example: Copy c:*.* a: And this will be copy all files then... Not sure about which correct comand for copy separate files...)

Copy c: VS.X *.* a:

and doing all same and for another required files

Ops, this is was even here, just checked it only now!... lol After time...
https://note.com/uma_japan/n/nb283a861bb5c

And after spended time also found many basic comands here...
https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5326.0

Now I just tried to read and understand more carefully... Plus apply what you already wrote about above...

Now, with this information and  knowdgess, will try to do something...

Sucesfully Done!
(https://i.ibb.co/4j8Vscs/10.png)

P.S.:
Just strange what HDD ( .HDS ) on Disk A( Not on C, how always \ Or not on D, how in lesson from guy from Japan ), but anwyay this is working...

P.S.2.0.:
Interesting, by this method we are can run any other visual shells higher \ newest versions or no?(I was try just run command vs Enter or vs.x in DOS in latest versions of visual shells, but nothing to was to happening in any . I just not copyed not any files from them yet not to any others folders, not in HDD's, etc This not for today... )
Anyway, this is not for today(Here is deep night), and thanks for help...

Or another versions of Humans68k just not have visual shells...

Good to see you got it working! Newer versions of human68k went away from the visual shell and incorporated SX-Window instead. I may add the VS files to my hdd just as a curiosity.

The HDD gets mapped as A: by default because of the way Human68k works. If you want to change it you can edit your Autoexec.bat file with DRIVE commands.

Example:

DRIVE A: C:

(will swap these letters so the hard drive becomes C: and your 2nd floppy drive becomes A. You'd then need another DRIVE command to make floppy 0 ad A and floppy 1 as B:

DRIVE B: A:

If I did this correctly you'll have them mapped as floppy 0 A: floppy 1 B: and HDD C:

Wow!
Thanks for this new information(For me new i mean)... This very interesting!
Even before not heared nothing about SX-Window!... And not was know about this nothing...( But, in fact maybe saw something, just not gived meanings to this before, because not was know yet, what this... Hm... Before this day 29.10.2023, i even not was have not one file on my PC with name SX-Window )
Now, after your words... Not only read some about this, and downloaded this and even begin tested this...

And new questions from me about SX-Window...:
1.: You are had working, was doing some tests in SX-Window? ( I mean have expirence and knowdgess about SX-Window ? )
2.: SX-Window can be installed on HDD ( .HDS ) how visual shell ( Windows ), with Visible - Activated HDD ( .HDS ) If talk true, if this newer than Visual Shells previous versions, then ofcourse need use this! And want use and testing this on maximum possibles!...
I guess, this is not simple Installing SX-Window on HDD ( .HDS ) , if possible, but will try ask how, if you are know, and can explain?
3.: I begin tested by unsert SX-Window to Floppy A, and now in WIndow, and even my HDD i can see, but how i can understand, can not use yet? I was try trasnslated by picture( This translators not ideal translate, and this not ideal working ), i understand from this message, first for use HDD ( .HDS ) in SX-Window need again initialize HDD, and Formating or what? But, this my HDD ( .HDS ) was formating and intitalizsed before... This is strange, and maybe i hust not understand something or do something wrong?
There is many menus and options for chose there...
(https://i.ibb.co/pLt4qrw/11.png)

incrediblehark, Man, sorry as so many questions to you about SX-Window... ( On Previous Page 1, In Message 39 https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?msg=49063 )
This because something totally new for me, and very interesting! Just want undersatnd, and want get some results...

We are can do step by step... For example, in priority question, why i can see my HDD ( .HDS ) in SX-Window, but can't use it? Why can't going inside this HDD?
Need again formating-intialise this HDD or what?

(https://i.ibb.co/KWcF52z/12.png)

P.S.:
But, we are already have doing Initialisating and Formating this HDD ( .HDS ) before, for what again need to do this or not need ( Then how begin use HDD ( . HDS ) inside SX-Window ) or maybe me not understand something?

After time, i found some information, what also possible, by method just copy all files from Floppy Disk A: SX-Window v3.1 (1993)(Sharp)(Disk 1 of 5)(System) to HDD ( .HDS ) into main Root, this must will be load \ run Visual Shell SX-Window, and then when we are will be boot from HDD, it is  always will be a autorun \ load SX-Window on it, even without inserted Floppy with this!
After also need will be copy all files from others Floppy Disks With SX-Window v3.1 to HDD, with Visual Shell SX-Window, but now inside shell!

Btw, i think i can't use HDD ( .HDS ), maybe because he is with other Operation System Human68k version 1.00, which i copyied from Disk Gradius before. and maybe this why this goved conflicts, and SX-Window opration system suggests formatting the disk... -this just my guesses, and thoughs about this...
Better, i will try again, with new, empty HDD ( .HDS ), slowly, how always step by step for understand...

incrediblehark, if you are can added someting, this will be also good...

P.S.:
I will try to do something in free time( I busy on this moment with other work... ), with information, which i got in internet about SX-Window...
And ofcourse will be posting results after work...

incrediblehark, this command DRIVE A: C:
Not working to me... :(
(https://i.ibb.co/7YkzrzG/13.png)

Maybe we are miss something?

P.S.:
I working in emulator xm6_typeg_336_20230523

if you need help installing SX-Window check this thread:

https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5554.0

To fix your DRIVE command, edit your AUTOEXEC.BAT with the following lines at the beginning of the file:

CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;
CD ..
DRIVE A: B:

Save the file and reboot your system.

This should map your hard disk as C:, floppy drive 0 as A:, and floppy drive 1 as B:

As for your other messages, one of the screenshots looks like SX Window was loaded from the floppy disk which is most likely why you can't see or access the hard drive. if installed to the hard disk you should be able to access it.

incrediblehark, man, was busy at other...
I still can't understand, how rename Drivers Names A on C, and floppies...
Where?
In Notepad on my PC or in DOS?
I sucesfully installed SX-Window, but i not have any AUTOEXEC.BAT into, not in BIN, not where, only in games...
1.:
(https://i.ibb.co/zN8yBBF/SX-Window-Main-1-17-11-2023.png)
2.:
(https://i.ibb.co/W5Dqj0g/SX-Window-BIN-2-17-11-2023.png)

You can edit on your PC or within XM6 on your hdd image. Either way should work.

incrediblehark Man, if talk true i was build my SX-Window by this Video-Tutorial
, and i not sure on which step and why i lost AUTOEXEC.BAT... :(
I added pictures to previous my post to you...

P.S.:
Maybe AUTOEXEC.BAT now have just other name?

incrediblehark,
By typed command in DOS:

CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
I got this:
(https://i.ibb.co/6YVg8MH/SX-Window-BIN-DRIVE-X-3-17-11-2023.png)
And by typed command in DOS:
DRIVE A: B:
I got this:
(https://i.ibb.co/t3NCYzQ/SX-Window-BIN-DRIVE-X-4-17-11-2023.png)
But, after Reset system-emulator, Discks\Drivers again back to their basic\default meaning...
Why, and how saved changed results in DOS? Which command for it or buttons?

P.S.:
And for what this in your message, in old post:
"PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;
CD .."
I just ignored this, beacsue just not understand, what for this?...

Not understand, can't save changes in DOS, and\or can't found AUTOEXEC.BAT... :(
I even extracted all files from SX-Window to empty folder on PC in Real Life, and no files, with .bat for changing meanings \ test in this... :(
+Half of files on Japanese language, but anyway no format .bat, only 2 files in .bat HUMAN.SYS and CONFIG.SYS...
In folder BIN, 0 files with .bat...
:(

Found AUTOEXEC.BAT only here - on Floppy BLANK_disk_X68000.d88, and inside SX-Window found some files with .bat, but not sure yet...
(https://i.ibb.co/m0m289P/SX-Window-BIN-AUTOEXEC-BAT-1-5-17-11-2023.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/pLx4nnc/SX-Window-BIN-AUTOEXEC-BAT-4-8-17-11-2023.png)


We are lost AUTOEXEC.BAT in process by use Video-Tutorial, but not remember when and where and why? And on what this changing... :(

incrediblehark, help me man, only on your are last hope... :(

P.S.:
in AUTOEXEC.BAT - on Floppy BLANK_disk_X68000.d88
This Command\Text( I saw this in Notepad++):

ECHO OFF
PATH A:\;A:\SYS;A:\BIN;A:\BASIC2;A:\ETC;
SET FASTIO=DONE
IF %FASTIO% == DONE GOTO SKIP
FASTIO 384 -S32 -D -F -E
FASTSEEK 128
FASTOPEN 100
SET FASTIO=DONE
:SKIP
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sorry for not getting back to you sooner. You can use the Autoexec.bat you found on the d88 image and edit and copy to the root of your hard drive. Just try editing the autoexec.bat with the commands I mentioned in a previous post. Or, you can make your own Autoexec.bat file by renaming a plain text file (name and extension) and adding your commands. It works exactly like DOS.

incrediblehark, man, 2 things what i was do:
1.: First, when i founds AUTOEXEC.BAT - on Floppy BLANK_disk_X68000.d88, first what i was do copied this faile from d88 to HDD (.HDS ) in SX-Window in main root(By using Disk Explorer), and ofcourse i typed ths command(By using Notepad++ on PC):
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;
CD ..
DRIVE A: B:
But! Nothing happens to me, still A ( HDD), and B free slot for only 1 floppy disk... :(

2.: I was try to do \ typed this command in DOS:
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:.
DRIVE A: B:
And this was gived results And this was gived results ( I showed this results here: https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?msg=49101 ), but after reset machine all meanings \ values again back to default\basic meanings, values, i think because i do not know how save changes in DOS?(Maybe some command for this?) , but after reset machine all meanings \ values again back to default\basic meanings, values, i think this because i don't know how save changes in DOS?(Maybe exists some command for save chsanges in DOS?)


3.: Main quetsion:
This command full for AUTOEXEC.BAT?
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;
CD ..
DRIVE A: B:

I mean, for example, in begin need
ECHO OFF?
If yes, then which will be full text-command? For example this?:
ECHO OFF
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;
CD ..
DRIVE A: B:

This full? Or not need ECHO OFF in begin? Or need?

Anyway, i think if we are doing by method which showed in video-tutorial, then maybe SX-Window runned not from file AUTOEXEC.BAT, and this why not working this your command, but not sure...

Hm, and then, if reason in this, then just an idea, from logic, maybe need remove something from this files, for run AUTOEXEC.BAT? But, what(Which file?) if yes?
https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?msg=49098
Or maybe need something change-adding?

P.S.:
I not understand what now run SX-Windows, if not AUTOEXEC.BAT, and AUTOEXEC.BAT maybe now was transformed in something other, in other file for run?(This quetsion not in prority, another questions need to understand...)

And about this - "sorry for not getting back to you sooner" (About time) not worry, main solve problems and get some results - this main...

Try the attached AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS in your hds image:


If you haven't yet, you should copy the following folders (and all files in them) to your hard drive from the master disk:

ASK
BASIC2
BIN
ETC
HIS
SYS

Also make sure you have the following files from master disk in the root of your hard drive:

COMMAND.X
BEEP.SYS
KEY.SYS
STARTUP.ENV
USKCG.SYS

And the 2 files in my zip in the root of your hard drive as well:

AUTOEXEC.BAT
CONFIG.SYS

If you have all of these installed and reboot your system, it should configure your drives the way you want them. If you have SX Window installed and want it to boot from that, add the following lines to your AUTOEXEC.BAT


Add C:\SHELL to your PATH commands
Add these lines at the end of the AUTOEXEC.BAT:

BREAK OFF
FSX.X
SXWIN.X
FSX.X -R

These are what I have in my SXWindow BAT file. It assumes FSX.X is in your SYS folder and SHELL folder has your SX Window files.

Try the files I attached first to see if it resolved your DRIVE issue, and go from there.

 

incrediblehark, for load Visual Shell SX-Window, i must change-adding in this your basic command:
ECHO OFF
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;
CD ..
DRIVE A: B:

␚

Additional text-commandsomething like that:
ECHO OFF
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;C:\SHELL
CD ..
DRIVE A: B:
BREAK OFF
FSX.X
SXWIN.X
FSX.X -R

␚

Correct-no?

incrediblehark, after spended additional time, and by use this command in AUTOEXEC.BAT:
ECHO OFF
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;C:\SHELL
CD ..
DRIVE A: B:
BREAK OFF
FSX.X
SXWIN.X
FSX.X -R

␚

I got this result:

(https://i.ibb.co/Y2pXxKq/SX-Window-Inside-Visual-Shell-1-19-11-2023.png)

Now:
Drive 0 = A
Drive 1 = B
This is all good, but we are lost now HDD Disk C , with Folders, files, drivers, etc on C, for example Folder Games...
Why?
In Visual Shells Human68k, HDD C And Empty Floppies Drives A, B (This 3) was vissible in HDD ( .HDF ), but in SX-Window - no, i wrong with command or what?

Got where HDD C... :)
In Icon "x68" inside Visual Shell\OS SX-Window

P.S.:
Btw, about old question from this post
https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?msg=49101
This is possible save changes in DOS by some command or no?(If yes, which comman then? Or by other method?) Want understood and know only for my self... Not found in internet information...

What changes do you want saved? All of those commands need to be saved in your autoexec.bat to keep settings when you boot.

There is a patch for human.sys someone made that will automatically adjust drive assignments for you, but it involves patching within human68k. I have a version of it running on my hdd image, link is located in these forums.

incrediblehark, for example, when i doing this changes in DOS(On this balck screen, with white color text, how on this screenshot. I mean not in Visual Shells or in Modern Windows by using Notepads) by this commands:
(https://i.ibb.co/t3NCYzQ/SX-Window-BIN-DRIVE-X-4-17-11-2023.png)
Disks changes their names, but only in DOS, and only when i in DOS, but after Reset machine ( \ Emulator ), meanings again auto-vack on default-basic values...
This about what i try asked...
If i doing some changes in DOS in emulators of Sharp x68000, not in Notepad++ in modern Windows... In Modern time if i do changes in AUTOEXEC.BAT by using Notepad++ , with this all okay and now all working for me(By use your commands) in SX-Window(And now how and i was want Floppy Disks\Drives 0=A, Disk 1=B, Hard Disk C), but i was mean, this possible do saves changes in DOS, iif yes, then by which command or buttons on Keyobard, maybe by combination of button? If not possible then okay, if you are not sure about this, also okay, means no-no... You are always give big helpful with many info, and thanks for it! What you are shared with all this information!

P.S.:
I was just want to know, for myself, this is possible or no save any changes by any command or buttons after changes in DOS... And how if yes? No-no...

Additional infromation, on this my screenshot, this me was typed in DOS next your commands:
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C: (+After I press Enter, and this gived results how on my screenshot)

DRIVE A: B: (+After I press Enter, and this gived results how on my screenshot)

This gived me results, how on screenshot(Even by use command dir for see files inside disks, Hard Disk A and files now was in C, Floppy Drive 0 now was A, 1 = B), but only in DOS, when i was in DOS. This changes was not saved after Reset Machine\Emulator, Disks again was with deafult names... Beacuse i think, changes in DOS not was saved...
By use Notepad++ in Modern Windows for do changes all work fine, but i just was to understand, possible or no save changes in DOS... And how if yes? No-no...
Anyway thanks!

Ok, I think I understand. When you set those commands in DOS, they do not save when you reset the computer. That is why they need to be in your Autoexec.bat file. Those commands need to be entered each time you start the machine. You can edit the Autoexec.bat or Config.sys files within Human68k's DOS-like interface using the edit command, for example at the command prompt:

ED AUTOEXEC.BAT

when you are done making your changes to the autoexec.bat file, hit ESC and then X, this will save your changes and create a backup of your previous Autoexec.bat called Autoexec.BAK.

I hope this answered your question, I apologize if I misunderstood.

incrediblehark,
1.:
Everything is fine, you understand...
After a while, I still thought about how best to express what I want say(Express eanings in text), and after thinking I wanted to add a little more to my previous big post, for greater clarification and better understanding, but you already answered before me...
In general, the fact is that I made changes to DOS using your commands even before you sent me the AUTOEXEC.BAT file with your commands...
It turns out I did this in DOS, even without AUTOEXEC.BAT, and the commands worked... So something somewhere changed and was edited even without AUTOEXEC.BAT, or it existed somewhere and was in Japanese, or it changed in another launched file...
Remember, in previous posts, I wrote to you and sent you these screenshots with a list of files in SX-Window, which I installed using a video tutorial from YouTube:
https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?msg=49098
And remember, then I said the AUTOEXEC.BAT file was not even on the SX-Window, it was not found by me on the d88, but I never transferred it to my SX-Window, while the commands in DOS for changing the names of the disks, somehow they worked and worked, even without AUTOEXEC.BAT, but they weren't saved after reset Machine\Emulators of Sharp x68000... Because i not was know how save changes in DOS... Now know... Will try in free time... For experements and for knowledges... But, not sure will be work or no, i mean will be save changes in DOS or no without AUTOEXEC.BAT Hm, interesting... I will be do tests with AUTOEXEC.BAT and without, how i was do pre my messages to you...(How i was do few days ago even without modicated file AUTOEXEC.BAT)

2.:
incrediblehark, man check please, this your code i finished correct or no in AUTOEXEC.BAT? For visuall shell SX-Window correctly run\loaded and work::
ECHO OFF
CD BIN
DRIVE A: C:
PATH C:\;C:\SYS;C:\BIN;C:\BASIC2;C:\ETC;C:\SHELL
CD ..
DRIVE A: B:
BREAK OFF
FSX.X
SXWIN.X
FSX.X -R

␚

This work(And SX-Window loaded, run, and working), but i want understand, this correct and full code?(For correct work of all) I asked, because in your files to me, was only begin of this code, heh...
So, this 2 questions, more precisely, 2 clarifications for you...

Yes, that should be the full code as far as I know, to load up the drive commands and execute sx window (if it is installed on your system).

incrediblehark. hello man!
We are working and interesting now at other theme...
This theme name KO-Window.
If you are have some expirence in this and knowdges, you are also can enjoy to us...
https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6769.msg49142#msg49142

After spended some time, i got some results in that, but again just how beginner, and trying solve some problems...( 50 on 50, still some problems into it, all in topic on which i gived link...)

incrediblehark. hello again!
Next trouble...
From 3 months, i sucesfully runned by many methods about 49 games of 50 from HDD ( .HDS ) in Visuall Shell SX-Window, but only one game can't run...
This game named:
Mega Lo Mania
From Floppy Disks:
Megalomania (1993)(Imagineer)(Disk 1 of 2)
Megalomania (1993)(Imagineer)(Disk 2 of 2)
I saw this strategy from SEGA on other platform in video on YouTube...
But, i want solve problem with run this game on Sharp x68000...

I was try run and by use and this method(By use this commands in autoexec.bat), and from copy all files from Floppy Disks with game to folder and puted to HDD by use Disk Explorer, etc:
2hdboot -$4 -aDisk1.XDF -bDisk2.XDF
␚
Disks of course i changed -bDisk1.XDF -aDisk2.XDF or even -aDisk1.XDF -bDisk2.XDF -aDisk1.XDF, etc... Anyway fail..

And from many methods from this page:
https://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=x68000:installing_games_to_hard_drive

But, anyway, in end always gets one-same fail reult with this message:
(https://i.ibb.co/c2nWMQF/Megalomania.png)

incrediblehark, maybe you are can help and solve how this run, or this game just can't be run on emulators of Sharp x68000? Or maybe broken?(But, i downloaded for tests this game Megalomania from many sources, and always same failed result with run this game...)

Just this one game of 50 successfully runned and testes games, which i tested in 3 months cant run by many methods... :(
Even just from Floppy Disks From Drives!...(Always same fail result, with this message, which on screenshot)